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USB 2.0 - Mandatory 4 layers and impedance matching?

autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 17 years ago

I have brougth this topic up again, because I have some doubts: people

usually say that it is mandatory to use a 4-layered boards with impedance

matching when you have a USB 2.0 circuit on board. But my question is: even

if I know that the circuit won´t reach 20Mbps tops (very far from 480Mbps of

USB 2.0) is it really mandatory to have a 4-layers board? And the impedance?

What if I make the trace as short as possible, from the connector to the IC?

 

Thanks

 

Thiago

 

 

 

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  • esilviu
    esilviu over 17 years ago

    "Thiago" <thiago_hr@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message

    news:gf0i08$6k8$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    I have brougth this topic up again, because I have some doubts: people

    usually say that it is mandatory to use a 4-layered boards with impedance

    matching when you have a USB 2.0 circuit on board. But my question is: even

    if I know that the circuit won´t reach 20Mbps tops (very far from 480Mbps

    of USB 2.0) is it really mandatory to have a 4-layers board? And the

    impedance? What if I make the trace as short as possible, from the

    connector to the IC?

     

    Thanks

     

    Thiago

     

    I've done-it without 4 layers, and without any "impedance matching". And it

    worked.

    if wires are as short as possible, it's ok.

     

     

     

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 17 years ago in reply to esilviu

    Here is an excellent PDF for board layout of USB 2.0 devices.  It shows how

    to do it right...

     

    http://www.bigcarrotdigital.com/high_speed_usb_pcb_layout_recommendations___an1168_12.pdf

     

     

     

     

    "eSilviu" <Silviu.Epure@ugal.ro> wrote in message

    news:gf0ses$hlh$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    "Thiago" <thiago_hr@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message

    news:gf0i08$6k8$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    I have brougth this topic up again, because I have some doubts: people

    usually say that it is mandatory to use a 4-layered boards with impedance

    matching when you have a USB 2.0 circuit on board. But my question is:

    even if I know that the circuit won´t reach 20Mbps tops (very far from

    480Mbps of USB 2.0) is it really mandatory to have a 4-layers board? And

    the impedance? What if I make the trace as short as possible, from the

    connector to the IC?

     

    Thanks

     

    Thiago

     

    I've done-it without 4 layers, and without any "impedance matching". And

    it worked.

    if wires are as short as possible, it's ok.

     

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 17 years ago

     

    "Robert Leavitt" <bb@bigcarrotdigital.com> escreveu na mensagem

    news:gfcume$iqh$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    Here is an excellent PDF for board layout of USB 2.0 devices.  It shows

    how to do it right...

     

    http://www.bigcarrotdigital.com/high_speed_usb_pcb_layout_recommendations___an1168_12.pdf

     

     

    Yes, I am aware of this DOC, but this is exactly what I wanted to avoid: 4

    layers and impedance matching calculations.

     

     

     

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 17 years ago

    Well then, just breadboard the thing and see if it works!  Good luck!

     

     

    "Thiago" <thiago_hr@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message

    news:gfdfs5$9po$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

     

    Yes, I am aware of this DOC, but this is exactly what I wanted to avoid: 4

    layers and impedance matching calculations.

     

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 17 years ago

    "Robert Leavitt" <bb@bigcarrotdigital.com> escreveu na mensagem

    news:gfcume$iqh$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    Here is an excellent PDF for board layout of USB 2.0 devices.  It shows

    how to do it right...

     

    http://www.bigcarrotdigital.com/high_speed_usb_pcb_layout_recommendations___an1168_12.pdf

     

    Yes, I am aware of this DOC, but this is exactly what I wanted to avoid: 4

    layers and impedance matching calculations.

     

     

     

    What's about a (free) Impedance Calculator tool like "ZTOOL"

    (http://www.fl-eng.com/tools.html)

     

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    autodeskguest over 17 years ago

     

    What's about a (free) Impedance Calculator tool like "ZTOOL"

    (http://www.fl-eng.com/tools.html)

     

    That is ok, I will try to design with the correct impedance, but using

    double-sided board only, with GND plane beneath the USB tracks.

     

     

     

     

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