Hierarchical design questions

On 8/21/2014 12:08 PM, cosborne2000 wrote:

I just upgraded to V7 and would like to convert many large schematics to

a hierarchical design.

 

2 problems I'm having:

-The component name becomes very long.  The default behavior (module

name:component name) seems unusable on a silk screen.

The offset method is creates huge component name values on non-trivial

schematics with every module claiming values in 100 blocks.

Is there any plans on making the offset not locked to 100 increments or

only checking for overlapping names with the same offset?

This is a work in progress and we're looking into what's the best way to

handle this.

 

A more significant issue-

I can't find a method to cut/paste existing schematics into a

hierarchical structure without the associated board locations and

routing being removed for these components.

Is there a way to update a project without redoing the board layout?

This can be done if you put the circuits you want to convert to blocks

as there own sheets. You can then create the modules and move the sheets

into those modules. Sheets can be rearranged into an out of modules.

hth,

Jorge Garcia

 

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Thank you for the reply.  I may be missing a step regarding transfer of a sheet into a module.

Creating a new sheet with a circuit subset is no problem but I can't figure out the steps to convert it to a module.

When I drag the sheet to the new module it still rips up the existing board.  The problem seems to be related to the net names being changed during the transition to the module.

It would seem that the ports have to be declared simultaneously with the module creation to maintain the net.  Otherwise, Eagle rips up the board routing when the nets are modified during the transition.

On 8/22/2014 5:16 PM, cosborne2000 wrote:

Thank you for the reply.  I may be missing a step regarding transfer of

a sheet into a module.

Creating a new sheet with a circuit subset is no problem but I can't

figure out the steps to convert it to a module.

 

When I drag the sheet to the new module it still rips up the existing

board.  The problem seems to be related to the net names being changed

during the transition to the module.

It would seem that the ports have to be declared simultaneously with the

module creation to maintain the net.  Otherwise, Eagle rips up the board

routing when the nets are modified during the transition.

Recently,

We've received reports of nets getting ripped up when net names

change.We're looking into this I'm sure this issue is related. I'll keep

you posted as things get resolved.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

I also cannot find a way of moving already-routed parts of the board into modules.

When I move the sheet into the module all the component positions reset and the tracks are lost.

I've tried 7.1.0 and the beta of 7.1.1 with no luck.

Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?

I've just tried 7.1.3 beta.

I still can't find any way - I mean any way at all - of moving part of a schematic into a module without losing all the routing.

Is there a way of doing this? I got the impression from the previous responses to this thread that there was meant to be.

On 11/11/2014 1:42 PM, Justyn B wrote:

I've just tried 7.1.3 beta.

 

I still can't find any way - I mean any way at all - of moving part of a

schematic into a module without losing all the routing.

 

Is there a way of doing this? I got the impression from the previous

responses to this thread that there was meant to be.

 

Currently the Hierarchy is only setup at the schematic level, there's no

associated layout module, yet.

Now when moving items between sheets you want to use the MOVE command on

a GROUP. Even if you are only moving one part you have to do it as a

group. In this way the layout should be preserved.

hth,

Jorge Garcia

Hi Jorge,

Thanks for the response, however it still doesn't work for me (7.1.0 or 7.1.3 beta).

This is my method, in a schematic that is already routed:

1) Create module called TEST and place one instance.

2) Select other components in the sheet (I've tried just a few or the entire sheet).

3) Ctrl-right-click to pick up group.

4) Go to module sheet TEST:1

5) Left click to place group in module sheet.

6) Eagle pops up with a lot of warnings of the sort: "Rename net segment 'N$1' by supply pin 'GND'?". I'm not quite sure why this happens, but whether I answer yes or no to all these popups doesn't seem to make any difference. What do these mean?

7) All tracks in the group and the position of the components have been ripped up/reset.

Is this the method you meant?

Thanks.

Hi Jorge,

Thanks for the response, however it still doesn't work for me (7.1.0 or 7.1.3 beta).

This is my method, in a schematic that is already routed:

1) Create module called TEST and place one instance.

2) Select other components in the sheet (I've tried just a few or the entire sheet).

3) Ctrl-right-click to pick up group.

4) Go to module sheet TEST:1

5) Left click to place group in module sheet.

6) Eagle pops up with a lot of warnings of the sort: "Rename net segment 'N$1' by supply pin 'GND'?". I'm not quite sure why this happens, but whether I answer yes or no to all these popups doesn't seem to make any difference. What do these mean?

7) All tracks in the group and the position of the components have been ripped up/reset.

Is this the method you meant?

Thanks.