Eagle upgrade list

Am 25.04.2016 um 17:35 schrieb Hoyt:

Hi Richard:

 

  Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that

  shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start

  with something better.  Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list

  even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked

  specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the

  answer is essentially he doesn't know.

  When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.

 

Hoyt,

thanks for your advice and analysis of the current situation.

BTW: My valuable colleague Jorge already gave an answer to your

post.Thank you Jorge for keeping the forum at its high quality level.

My reply would have been in a different way.

--

Richard Hammerl

  CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

  FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

Jorge:

Thanks for the reply, we certainly want Eagle to get better--it is a long

time coming.

Please keep these things in mind:

Can you guys imagine how long it would take to implement 300 brand new

features into EAGLE?  That is what happens when requests are left lagging

1,2,5, or more years..you end up with a big pile. There are waaay too many

messages such as "this has been requested for at least xx years"--no action

taken, it's in your lap. Don't let Eagle rot on the vine.

Another consideration would be the loss of a competitive edge, when you

announce to the world everything you're going to do competitors will

usually be quick to try to either implement an alternative   Wake up Eagle,

you are already losing a competitive edge & competitors were ALREADY quick

with alternatives, while you let 300 requests pile up.

Your upgrade, hopefully, will be a welcome step forward.

--

Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

On 4/25/2016 11:35 AM, Hoyt wrote:

Hi Richard:

 

  Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that

  shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start

  with something better.  Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list

  even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked

  specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the

  answer is essentially he doesn't know.

  When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.

 

Hi Guys,

     I guess it's my turn to throw my hat into the ring. First off, we want

to thank everyone for submitting suggestions. It shows that you guys

care about the software and the direction it's going in, so we want you

guys to continue sending in suggestions, they are not falling on deaf

ears, we log them and assign them priorities. Just to give you an idea,

our current feature request list contains about 300 entries. Can you

guys imagine how long it would take to implement 300 brand new features

into EAGLE? We certainly have a lot of work ahead and that's thanks to

you guys.

     As to the roadmap request, there's a couple of issues with providing a

public roadmap. Regardless of how many disclaimers we would place on it,

users would still hold us to it, and it would leave a real sour taste in

their mouths(as it has) if for whatever reason we couldn't meet all the

points in the roadmap. Another consideration would be the loss of a

competitive edge, when you announce to the world everything you're going

to do competitors will usually be quick to try to either implement an

alternative or block you(this is the case for example when you announce

that you are going to support importing a competitor's file format). For

these reasons and others many companies don't release a public roadmap,

and we are one of those companies.

     We don't want a repeat of V7 so we are working really hard to make sure

that V8 is truly worthwhile. Your suggestions are guiding that effort

and if I could talk about what we are planning I know this would be a

different thread.

     I know it's not the answer you guys wanted to hear, but I think having

an answer it better than no answer and feeling like you are being

ignored. We value you all a lot, so keep the comments good, bad, etc.

coming; they keep us moving forward.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

On 4/25/2016 11:35 AM, Hoyt wrote:

Hi Richard:

 

  Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that

  shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start

  with something better.  Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list

  even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked

  specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the

  answer is essentially he doesn't know.

  When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.

 

Hi Guys,

     I guess it's my turn to throw my hat into the ring. First off, we want

to thank everyone for submitting suggestions. It shows that you guys

care about the software and the direction it's going in, so we want you

guys to continue sending in suggestions, they are not falling on deaf

ears, we log them and assign them priorities. Just to give you an idea,

our current feature request list contains about 300 entries. Can you

guys imagine how long it would take to implement 300 brand new features

into EAGLE? We certainly have a lot of work ahead and that's thanks to

you guys.

     As to the roadmap request, there's a couple of issues with providing a

public roadmap. Regardless of how many disclaimers we would place on it,

users would still hold us to it, and it would leave a real sour taste in

their mouths(as it has) if for whatever reason we couldn't meet all the

points in the roadmap. Another consideration would be the loss of a

competitive edge, when you announce to the world everything you're going

to do competitors will usually be quick to try to either implement an

alternative or block you(this is the case for example when you announce

that you are going to support importing a competitor's file format). For

these reasons and others many companies don't release a public roadmap,

and we are one of those companies.

     We don't want a repeat of V7 so we are working really hard to make sure

that V8 is truly worthwhile. Your suggestions are guiding that effort

and if I could talk about what we are planning I know this would be a

different thread.

     I know it's not the answer you guys wanted to hear, but I think having

an answer it better than no answer and feeling like you are being

ignored. We value you all a lot, so keep the comments good, bad, etc.

coming; they keep us moving forward.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

On 4/25/2016 11:35 AM, Hoyt wrote:

Hi Richard:

 

  Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that

  shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start

  with something better.  Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list

  even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked

  specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the

  answer is essentially he doesn't know.

  When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.

 

Hi Guys,

     I guess it's my turn to throw my hat into the ring. First off, we want

to thank everyone for submitting suggestions. It shows that you guys

care about the software and the direction it's going in, so we want you

guys to continue sending in suggestions, they are not falling on deaf

ears, we log them and assign them priorities. Just to give you an idea,

our current feature request list contains about 300 entries. Can you

guys imagine how long it would take to implement 300 brand new features

into EAGLE? We certainly have a lot of work ahead and that's thanks to

you guys.

     As to the roadmap request, there's a couple of issues with providing a

public roadmap. Regardless of how many disclaimers we would place on it,

users would still hold us to it, and it would leave a real sour taste in

their mouths(as it has) if for whatever reason we couldn't meet all the

points in the roadmap. Another consideration would be the loss of a

competitive edge, when you announce to the world everything you're going

to do competitors will usually be quick to try to either implement an

alternative or block you(this is the case for example when you announce

that you are going to support importing a competitor's file format). For

these reasons and others many companies don't release a public roadmap,

and we are one of those companies.

     We don't want a repeat of V7 so we are working really hard to make sure

that V8 is truly worthwhile. Your suggestions are guiding that effort

and if I could talk about what we are planning I know this would be a

different thread.

     I know it's not the answer you guys wanted to hear, but I think having

an answer it better than no answer and feeling like you are being

ignored. We value you all a lot, so keep the comments good, bad, etc.

coming; they keep us moving forward.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Hi Richard:

Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that

shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start

with something better.  Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list

even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked

specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the

answer is essentially he doesn't know.

When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.

--

Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

Hi Richard:

Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that

shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start

with something better.  Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list

even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked

specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the

answer is essentially he doesn't know.

When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.

--

Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

Hi Richard:

Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that

shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start

with something better.  Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list

even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked

specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the

answer is essentially he doesn't know.

When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.

--

Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

On 25.04.2016 12:39, Richard Hammerl wrote:

Hi Rachael,

 

there will be a 7.6.0 soon. I suppose that there won't be fürther V7

release, only if it is urgently necessary, for example in case of a

critical bug. It's planned to concentrate on V8 development from now

on.....

Then I really start questioning myself what I paid the upgrade for? Just

for the still far from optimum hierarchical design and for convincing

the management to stay with the old licensing scheme as is?

I assume the V8 upgrade is for free then... KiCAD is actually free...

Markus

On 25.04.2016 12:39, Richard Hammerl wrote:

Hi Rachael,

 

there will be a 7.6.0 soon. I suppose that there won't be fürther V7

release, only if it is urgently necessary, for example in case of a

critical bug. It's planned to concentrate on V8 development from now

on.....

Then I really start questioning myself what I paid the upgrade for? Just

for the still far from optimum hierarchical design and for convincing

the management to stay with the old licensing scheme as is?

I assume the V8 upgrade is for free then... KiCAD is actually free...

Markus