Change layer during routing?

On 26/05/16 08:53, Lix Paulian wrote:

 

After intensively searching the manual and fiddling around with the

assign command I could not find an alternate way to the thee buttons

mouse "change layer" when manually routing a board. Is anybody out there

that can help me define a combination key or mouse/key to this end?

 

Three buttons? I'm sure it's only one (two if more than two layers).

Perhaps that got broken by the "new and improved" (ha!) "more intuitive"

(as if!) "windows-style" GUI. Set the magic config to get the original

UI back.

No, seriously. I don't want to get into the GUI issue now, I'm fighting with it on a daily basis.

Now, changing layers while routing a net is said to be possible by clicking the middle button on a three button mouse. It can't be that there is no other way. However, I couldn't find this piece of information in the manual.

Not only that I don't use a three button mouse, I don't use a mouse at all (since three years now). I know that many people can't believe this, but a multitouch track pad is (in my opinion and with some training) far superior to any mouse, no matter how many buttons it has. So don't tell me "buy a decent mouse".

I can't believe that CadSoft has implemented no alternative to the middle button to change layers.

Lix Paulian wrote on Thu, 26 May 2016 16:51

Not only that I don't use a three button mouse, I don't use a mouse at

all (since three years now). I know that many people can't believe this,

but a multitouch track pad is (in my opinion and with sone training) far

superior to any mouse, no matter how many buttons it has. So don't tell

me "buy a decent mouse".

OK, then buy a decent trackball.

You whine about Eagle having a non-standard (as if there is such a thing as

a standard GUI) interface, but you insist on using it with a non-standard

GUI device.  GUI devices have evolved to three buttons for a reason.

Software now makes use of that and even expects it.  Complaining about the

software not following convention but then yourself not following

convention is rather hypocritical.

Eagle's interactions are much better than any other complicated program I

use.  Your "standard" GUI seems to get worse and worse in usability over

time.  Each new version of MS Word, for instance, is more difficult to use

than the previous.  More and more things get harder to do from the keyboard

and require ever more clickety-clicking.

You don't need to use the right-click context menu in Eagle at all.  Once

you graduate past the annoying "standard" GUI conventions and start using

Eagle in its most efficient way, you'll find things are a lot faster.  The

only thing I can think of that I use the right mouse button for in Eagle is

to create a group, for example.

What makes the Eagle UI so powerful and efficient is that everything is a

command that has a text representation.  The GUI is layered on that.  This

means you can keep your hands on the keyboard where things are much faster

to do than with the mouse.  You can generally type just the first three

letter of a command, and of course assign arbitrary sequences of commands

to hot keys.  With 12 function keys alone, you get 12 command sequences

immediately at your fingertips, and another 24 by additionally holding down

Shift or Ctrl.

Note that any of these keys can be a command sequence, which includes

running scripts or ULPs.  The lesser-used complicated operations are only a

three-letter command ("SCR" or "RUN") away.  This leaves the slower mouse

interactions for things that are inherently graphical.  In a "standard"

GUI, way too much has to be done with the mouse or buried deep down in

menus that take many keystrokes to get to.  No thanks.

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Lix Paulian wrote on Thu, 26 May 2016 16:51

Not only that I don't use a three button mouse, I don't use a mouse at

all (since three years now). I know that many people can't believe this,

but a multitouch track pad is (in my opinion and with sone training) far

superior to any mouse, no matter how many buttons it has. So don't tell

me "buy a decent mouse".

OK, then buy a decent trackball.

You whine about Eagle having a non-standard (as if there is such a thing as

a standard GUI) interface, but you insist on using it with a non-standard

GUI device.  GUI devices have evolved to three buttons for a reason.

Software now makes use of that and even expects it.  Complaining about the

software not following convention but then yourself not following

convention is rather hypocritical.

Eagle's interactions are much better than any other complicated program I

use.  Your "standard" GUI seems to get worse and worse in usability over

time.  Each new version of MS Word, for instance, is more difficult to use

than the previous.  More and more things get harder to do from the keyboard

and require ever more clickety-clicking.

You don't need to use the right-click context menu in Eagle at all.  Once

you graduate past the annoying "standard" GUI conventions and start using

Eagle in its most efficient way, you'll find things are a lot faster.  The

only thing I can think of that I use the right mouse button for in Eagle is

to create a group, for example.

What makes the Eagle UI so powerful and efficient is that everything is a

command that has a text representation.  The GUI is layered on that.  This

means you can keep your hands on the keyboard where things are much faster

to do than with the mouse.  You can generally type just the first three

letter of a command, and of course assign arbitrary sequences of commands

to hot keys.  With 12 function keys alone, you get 12 command sequences

immediately at your fingertips, and another 24 by additionally holding down

Shift or Ctrl.

Note that any of these keys can be a command sequence, which includes

running scripts or ULPs.  The lesser-used complicated operations are only a

three-letter command ("SCR" or "RUN") away.  This leaves the slower mouse

interactions for things that are inherently graphical.  In a "standard"

GUI, way too much has to be done with the mouse or buried deep down in

menus that take many keystrokes to get to.  No thanks.

--

Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.