Eagle license

Bien le bonjour!

That is the question here. I'm on Eagle 7.7, and even if I cheat a little (I have a teacher's licence), I know that I can use my schematics even a few years later. I'm interested in Eagle 8, but some people don't want to switch for the new licence system. What if you create all your work, and the you can no longer access them? The argument is currently on-going from what I can tell, people have asked to be able to at least have read-only rights on the work they have created.

The new licence is good: If you only need to create boards for 3 months, then only pay for 3 months. In the end, it saves people like me lots of money.

The new licence is bad: Some of the people here (mainly the top members) have their own company, and if they can't access what they have created for whatever reason (if ever the software company goes down, don't laugh, it has happened), then they lose their work, with potentially disastrous results.

Wait a few days, there should be more answers soon.

thierry pottier wrote:

 

it is month or year to get the last update version.

You have options of monthly, or 1, 2 or 3 years for the subscription period and the average annual cost goes down with longer subscription periods.

thierry pottier wrote:

 

ok but if you stop to paid can you use the last paid version to work after period?

No, if you stop you subscription then you will no longer have entitlement to the full capabilities of the version you paid for. I believe the software will revert to the freeware license in this situation so you will still be able to view your designs and run CAM jobs etc but you will only be able to edit within the capabilities of the freeware licence.

thierry pottier wrote:

 

Before the update was after 3 years +- and about same price but ifyou must paid every year it is expensive.

Yes, depending on how you use EAGLE and what license you had previously for some it would work out more, some less.

There are now options for monthly, or 1, 2 or 3 years. The longer the subscription you take the lower the average annual cost becomes.

There are some improvements in the licensing coming. The main one being in the next release which I believe is due out soon, the Standard edition will have it's layer count increased to 4-layers instead of just 2-layers. I think having a way to allow 6-layers would be beneficial for a lot of people.

Another improvement is that the size restriction is now based on board area rather than the fixed dimensions of 100mm x 160mm of the previous versions. This opens up the possibility of taller or wider boards so long as they still fitted within the restrictions of the overall board area.

An idea I had was the concept of "maximum routing area" in which it would be possible to trade board area for layers and vice versa. That way you could have a smaller board with more layers or a larger board with less layers so long as the total routing area stayed within the limit of the equivalent routing area of a 160cm^2 4-layer board. I don't know if there would be other implications for this though so they may need to add in additional scaling factors in the trade off between area and layers. I guess this is one to put to Autodesk and see what they think.

Best Regards,

Rachael

Gerald Schwarz wrote:

 

What you here say, i hope i understand you: "Standard" ... "what is standard?"" - well...

Past since with the Eagle 6 version the standard was a PCB with dimension of 160x100 mm with up to 6 layers.

 

!! Now, the standard is a PCB with 160x100mm with 2 layers.

Wow, what a retrograde step!

I agree that the 2-layer restriction was way too low. Autodesk agree and the next release will increase this to 4-layers I believe.

Earlier versions of EAGLE before v8 had the 160mm x 100mm restriction in the dimensions. v8 changes this to the equivalent area so you can have any dimension of board you like so long as it fits within 160 square cm. This is a definite improvement I think.

The final bit from where you quoted me was a further extension idea I had that I think they could do and I think it would solve a lot of issues if it went a step further to be "maximum routing area".

Best Regards,

Rachael

And that has to be the clearest answer I've read. Spot on, and answers the worries that I had. No licence, no edition, but I can still use my files. Thanks for the answer, Richard!

Yes, i thought too.

But you cannot reroute the wires if something was wrong on your PCB after expiring the license period.

This means: "close your company".

Gerald

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I believe Richard also mentioned this:

"So you will be able to create manufacturing data, print it, cerate bills of materials....and so on. Yo can edit your

projects within the limits of the Free license."

I'm using the free version of V8 to evaluate it and I can edit any of my V6.6 designs that fit within the limits of the

free version.

Eric

On 01/25/2017 07:38 AM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:

Yes, i thought too.

But you cannot reroute the wires if something was wrong on your PCB after expiring the license period.

 

This means: "close your company".

 

Gerald

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Gerald Schwarz wrote:

 

Yes, i thought too.

But you cannot reroute the wires if something was wrong on your PCB after expiring the license period.

 

This means: "close your company".

You could always get a 1 month subscription to make your updates if you needed to make a change once you no longer needed a full time active subscription.

Hi,

I agree that the 2-layer restriction was way too low. Autodesk agree and the next release will increase this to 4-layers I believe.

 

 

Why not immediately?

 

Earlier versions of EAGLE before v8 had the 160mm x 100mm restriction in the dimensions. v8 changes this to the equivalent area so you can have any dimension of board you like so long as it fits within 160 square cm. This is a definite improvement I think.

 

The calculation with the Quadrat cm was also in the earlier versions, even in the free version:

(Eagle V5.12 free; smaller 5mm, bigger 8mm diameter; PIC10F206 with dual-color_LED)

 

The final bit from where you quoted me was a further extension idea I had that I think they could do and I think it would solve a lot of issues if it went a step further to be "maximum routing area".

 

Yes, I agree.

In another thread a few days ago, I spoke of "why pay 16sqm if you never needed that".
I suggested that, for example, 4m² - a quarter of it with up to 16 layers could use as a customized license

Because, this 4sqm I think use the world's most users.

This would be a real advance in the standard. Because other CAD programs have 1sqm as standard, minimum!

Now we will see what the future holds.

Best Regards,

Gerald

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rachaelp schrieb:

Gerald Schwarz wrote:

 

Yes, i thought too. But you cannot reroute the wires if something

was wrong on your PCB after expiring the license period.

 

This means: "close your company".

You could always get a 1 month subscription to make your updates if

you needed to make a change once you no longer needed a full time

active subscription.

...provided that AutoDesk still runs the license server (and you can

access it) when you need it ten years later.

It's the method that sucks.

I simply won't accept that, and obviously I'm not alone.

Tilmann

CadSoft Guest wrote:

 

...provided that AutoDesk still runs the license server (and you can

access it) when you need it ten years later.

 

It's the method that sucks.

I simply won't accept that, and obviously I'm not alone.

 

Tilmann

 

I agree that there is some area for concern here. Hopefully Autodesk are listening and can come up with a solution that will solve this. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

Best Regards,

Rachael

On 25.01.2017 13:03, Antti Louko wrote:

I would be quite happy if one year subscription would include old style license

locked to the major version of the relevant major version.  This would encourage

Autodesk to keep developing Eagle and make Eagle more affordable in reality,

not just in some "Alternate Reality".  Of course this might be less than

Autodesk now expects to get with the current model, but it certainly would be

more than current fiasco, when its effects come to reality in lack of subscriptions.

 

Count me in...

Tilmann,

You could always get a 1 month subscription to make your updates if

you needed to make a change once you no longer needed a full time

active subscription.

 

...provided that AutoDesk still runs the license server (and you can

access it) when you need it ten years later.

Exactly !

It's the method that sucks.

I simply won't accept that, and obviously I'm not alone.

Sure, me too.

BR

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Grzegorz Zalot

complex ltd.

office tel/fax : +48 32 2505840

mobil : +48 501 301515

http://www.complex.org.pl/

Tilmann,

You could always get a 1 month subscription to make your updates if

you needed to make a change once you no longer needed a full time

active subscription.

 

...provided that AutoDesk still runs the license server (and you can

access it) when you need it ten years later.

Exactly !

It's the method that sucks.

I simply won't accept that, and obviously I'm not alone.

Sure, me too.

BR

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Grzegorz Zalot

complex ltd.

office tel/fax : +48 32 2505840

mobil : +48 501 301515

http://www.complex.org.pl/