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track width change

mrmarple
mrmarple over 8 years ago

Eagle (7.7.0) had me in a corner yesterday, couldn't work out why the auto

router wouldn't connect power and ground to a TQFP package, it showed air

wires for the omitted connections.

 

After some playing with the device, gnd@1, gnd@2, append, any/all etc. it

dawned on me that if air wires were being drawn, the device  and schematic

must be OK, it has be something board related causing the problem

 

It was, 20mil default track width good, 40mil power tracks bad, too wide

for TQFP pins.

 

My solution, auto route with 40mil power, then change to 20mil power and

run the auto router again, works a treat, if not very elegant.

 

My question, is there a correct/better way to change a track's net class to

achieve this?

 

Ken

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EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

 

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  • dougw
    dougw over 8 years ago +2
    I suppose you could create a separate net for thin power and connect the 2 power nets with a zero ohm jumper. Instead of a physical jumper maybe you can create a part with 2 SMT pads - a big one and a…
  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago +2
    Hi, Well, you have, I would say at least two points to see: 1. Recommendations for circuit board layouts by the component manufacturer 2. PCB rules from the circuit board manufacturer what they need for…
  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago +2
    Hi Ken, Changing your net class rules so you can finish the routing isn't really the right way to do it in my opinion. Imagine, you come to make another change some weeks/months/years from now and you…
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  • mrmarple
    mrmarple over 8 years ago

    Hi all and thanks for the replies.

     

    I know of the 0 Ohm R trick to isolate nets but never thought of refining

    it to a pair of small, shorted pads. It does result in physical separation

    where the net size change happens, which is something I try to avoid with

    bypasses on supply lines.

     

    My 20 and 40mil track width are a hangover from days of DIY board making. I

    do a quite a bit of soldering and desoldering on professionally made

    prototypes and 5mil  tracks and minimal pad sizes don't stand up too well,

    also a 40 mil track will cope with the occasional accidental over current

    far better than 5mil. I consider the PCB fabricator's design rules a

    minimum.

     

    Rachael, "Changing your net class rules so you can finish the routing isn't

    really the right way to do it", couldn't agree more, that's why I said it

    wasn't very elegant and asked for the correct way.

     

    Maybe I should explain my situation, I'm not a professional, I've made the

    occasional board now then over the last forty or so years. Back in the day

    it was sticky pads and black tape in assorted widths (what was it called?)

    , much easier now with a bit of computing power and Eagle.

     

    I appreciate  what you say about the auto router not being perfect but for

    what I do it does a far better job than I can. My last board was a dozen 74

    type packages in a random logic design along with a few opto isolators and

    about 60 pins of connectors. Now, just the number of possible combinations

    of package positions and track routing is far more that I can cope with. My

    approach is to roughly group components together, run some power and ground

    and the let the auto router have ago, followed by some close inspection and

    assessment, and if I don't like the result I start adjusting.

     

    I don't have to meet exacting standards, no GHz RF running around or sub

    nano second propagation delays to worry about, it's not "mission critical"

    but that doesn't mean I'll be happy with a rubbish job.

     

    I understand there is art in a good layout as there is in any engineering

    endeavour and please, please don't interpret my comments as in any way

    trying to denigrate the professionals who prefer to route manually, it's

    just that it's a skill I don't have. If I was to do ten hours a day for ten

    years I might start to get somewhere but as I've probably done less than

    200 hours in five years I'm not going to get there.

     

    I'll take the advice offered in your last paragraph, I see it as basically

    an incremental approach, let the auto router do a bit, fix/tidy up by hand,

    repeat until done, as opposed to put the go button and hope it finishes.

    Fortunately I recently discovered the power of Eagle's command line input

    as opposed to WIMP input.

     

    Ken.

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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    mrmarple over 8 years ago

    Hi all and thanks for the replies.

     

    I know of the 0 Ohm R trick to isolate nets but never thought of refining

    it to a pair of small, shorted pads. It does result in physical separation

    where the net size change happens, which is something I try to avoid with

    bypasses on supply lines.

     

    My 20 and 40mil track width are a hangover from days of DIY board making. I

    do a quite a bit of soldering and desoldering on professionally made

    prototypes and 5mil  tracks and minimal pad sizes don't stand up too well,

    also a 40 mil track will cope with the occasional accidental over current

    far better than 5mil. I consider the PCB fabricator's design rules a

    minimum.

     

    Rachael, "Changing your net class rules so you can finish the routing isn't

    really the right way to do it", couldn't agree more, that's why I said it

    wasn't very elegant and asked for the correct way.

     

    Maybe I should explain my situation, I'm not a professional, I've made the

    occasional board now then over the last forty or so years. Back in the day

    it was sticky pads and black tape in assorted widths (what was it called?)

    , much easier now with a bit of computing power and Eagle.

     

    I appreciate  what you say about the auto router not being perfect but for

    what I do it does a far better job than I can. My last board was a dozen 74

    type packages in a random logic design along with a few opto isolators and

    about 60 pins of connectors. Now, just the number of possible combinations

    of package positions and track routing is far more that I can cope with. My

    approach is to roughly group components together, run some power and ground

    and the let the auto router have ago, followed by some close inspection and

    assessment, and if I don't like the result I start adjusting.

     

    I don't have to meet exacting standards, no GHz RF running around or sub

    nano second propagation delays to worry about, it's not "mission critical"

    but that doesn't mean I'll be happy with a rubbish job.

     

    I understand there is art in a good layout as there is in any engineering

    endeavour and please, please don't interpret my comments as in any way

    trying to denigrate the professionals who prefer to route manually, it's

    just that it's a skill I don't have. If I was to do ten hours a day for ten

    years I might start to get somewhere but as I've probably done less than

    200 hours in five years I'm not going to get there.

     

    I'll take the advice offered in your last paragraph, I see it as basically

    an incremental approach, let the auto router do a bit, fix/tidy up by hand,

    repeat until done, as opposed to put the go button and hope it finishes.

    Fortunately I recently discovered the power of Eagle's command line input

    as opposed to WIMP input.

     

    Ken.

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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