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dmitrius
dmitrius over 8 years ago

Hello everybody. How to make a similar plug on the board circled in red in Eagle cad? And how to make such a board size circled in blue. Thank you.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago +3
    On 06.06.2017 10:55, Dmitriy Vladimirovich wrote: Hello everybody. How to make a similar plug on the board circled in red in Eagle cad? And how to make such a board size circled in blue. Thank you. There…
  • dukepro
    dukepro over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp +3
    Dmitriy, Card edge connectors have been discussed several times in this forum. Rachael, Gerald, and Morten all provide very good advice. Board thickness, plating, and corner bevels are all important. Morten…
  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago +2
    Hi Dmitriy, The card edge fingers can be created in a library part just like any other part, except you'll have to create them as SMT pads of the right size and spacing on both sides of the board and remember…
  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago

    Hi Dmitriy,

     

    The card edge fingers can be created in a library part just like any other part, except you'll have to create them as SMT pads of the right size and spacing on both sides of the board and remember to turn off the generation of the tCream and bCream for these as you don't want solder paste on them. Create a symbol and map each of these fingers of the package to a pin on the symbol to make a complete device and that should work fine. I think there is an existing card edge connector library, but I would just create it myself if this was my project anyway.

     

    For the board shape, delete the default rectangular board outline from the Dimension layer and then draw a new shape that matches accurately the outline of your board. Now when you add your connector to the schematics you should be able to place the connector in the board so its lined up exactly where it needs to be on the card shape. You'll probably want to add some notes to say the card edge needs to be bevelled and that the connector fingers need to be gold plated.

     

    Best Regards,


    Rachael

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago

    Hi,

    first as Rachael mentioned.

    Then you'll find in your lbr the library files for edge connectors:

    con-pc.lbr

    con-sullinelectronics.lbr - for 0.50inch (1.27mm) edge connectors

    as some examples.

     

    You can copy from that and then you can make with that your own pcb outline.

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago

    On 06.06.2017 10:55, Dmitriy Vladimirovich wrote:

    Hello everybody. How to make a similar plug on the board circled in red in Eagle cad? And how to make such a board size circled in blue. Thank you.

     

     

     

     

    There are some issues you also need to take care of, and Eagle is not

    helping much. They need to be specified to the manufacturer next to the

    gerbers.

     

    1-Make sure the PCB thickness is matching your socket (Yea, I've managed

    to mess up this once!). If it's 1.6mm, you have a great chance of

    accidentially getting it right.

     

    2-The card edge needs beveling (v'shape) to be gentle to the receptor.

    See datasheet of the receptor for recommendations.

     

    3-The contacts need special coating to prevent oxidation. Normally this

    is done in production by shorting all the pins before final cutout,

    applying a voltage to them all while the edge of the pcb is dipped into

    some chemical for coating deposit, then the shorts are cut out and

    beveling applied. You can often see the thin tracks that used to short

    circuit all the pins as leftover on the wider pads.

     

     

    Also see http://www.eurocircuits.com/blog/gold-plating-for-edge-connectors/

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Morten,

    There are some issues you also need to take care of, and Eagle is not

    helping much. They need to be specified to the manufacturer next to the

    gerbers.

     

    You are right, special care needs to be taken to ensure that the board manufacturer sees and acts upon the additional information. Is there a standard way other tools do this that you know of? I've only ever seen notes added to drawings which are printed and supplied as part of the gerber set... But I have seen those completely ignored previously so you have to work especially hard to ensure that your board house really has paid attention to any additional information supplied.

    1-Make sure the PCB thickness is matching your socket (Yea, I've managed

    to mess up this once!). If it's 1.6mm, you have a great chance of

    accidentially getting it right.

    That's a very good point, I guess lots of people learn that lesson the hard way.... In fact I will be designing a board with a card edge soon so I will make a note of that now so I don't forget and have a stupid fail on the first prototype! image

    2-The card edge needs beveling (v'shape) to be gentle to the receptor.

    See datasheet of the receptor for recommendations.

     

    3-The contacts need special coating to prevent oxidation. Normally this

    is done in production by shorting all the pins before final cutout,

    applying a voltage to them all while the edge of the pcb is dipped into

    some chemical for coating deposit, then the shorts are cut out and

    beveling applied. You can often see the thin tracks that used to short

    circuit all the pins as leftover on the wider pads.

    These are the two things I mentioned in my post, but I probably wasn't clear enough about the gold plating. So, the process you refer to is actually to produce a harder gold plating for the connector fingers rather than the softer plating you get when you have a typical gold finished board. It's not about a surface to protect from oxidation, its so it's mechanically strong enough surface that it can withstand insertion into the edge connector socket without damaging the surface. I didn't actually know how it was done and that extra shorting traces were required which were then removed as part of the bevelling. Very useful info, thanks image

    Also see http://www.eurocircuits.com/blog/gold-plating-for-edge-connectors/

    Ahhh, Eurocircuits, my go to board house for prototype boards. I've bookmarked that link for my upcoming project. Thanks image

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • dukepro
    dukepro over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Dmitriy,

     

    Card edge connectors have been discussed several times in this forum.

    Rachael, Gerald, and Morten all provide very good advice.  Board

    thickness, plating, and corner bevels are all important.

     

    Morten mentioned using a special coating for the contacts.  This coating

    is usually gold (Au), for two reasons.  The first and foremost reason

    was mentioned by Morten - it prevents oxidation.  The second reason is

    to prevent galvanic corrosion.  Galvanic corrosion occurs when two

    dissimilar metals are in contact in the presence of an electrolyte.  In

    our case, the electrolyte is water vapor and oxygen in the air.  The

    contact and subsequent corrosion will cause unwanted voltage offsets and

    intermittent connection.

     

    In school, did you ever insert a copper strip and a zinc strip into a

    potato or a lemon and measure the voltage it produced, or used it to

    power an LCD clock?  When the experiment was complete the electrodes had

    corroded.  This experiment exploits galvanic corrosion to harvest

    energy.  Obviously the goal, in your case, is not to exploit these

    effects, but to to avoid them.

     

    The connector used to attach to the card edge will most likely have gold

    contacts.  Therefore, it is imperative that the contacts on the card

    edge also have gold plating.  Since gold is a relatively soft metal

    (considerably softer than copper), the connector and card edge both have

    a limited number of insertions before the gold is worn away in critical

    spots.

     

    Nickel or tin plating may also be available.  The cost is about the same

    as gold plating (it's the process that drives the cost - not the

    material).  But whatever you choose, make sure the same material is

    plated onto the circuit board.

     

    Look for my post on 21-Jan-2014 titled "Re: Help for footprint (edge

    mounted connector)". I posted card-edge.lbr.zip which contains a 50-pin

    edge connector setup in three different packages - one for the left end

    of the edge, one for the right end of the edge, and one for somewhere in

    between. I believe a link to the thread is

    http://www.element14.com/community/message/101512.

     

    From that post:

     

        Carsten,

        

        The attached isn't exactly what you want, but it should serve as a guide

        on how to design an edge connector.  It's a 50-pin card edge connector

        with three different configurations - left end of board edge, right end

        of board edge, and middle of board edge.  As Richard mentioned, you will

        have to work with your board house to specify the gold plating.

        

        Note that zero-width wires are placed in the Dimension layer to specify

        the cutout.  What's NOT in the design is a polygon or rectangle that

        specifies the top and bottom finish.  Eagle has tFinish and bFinish

        layers to specify exactly this.  You can add sections to your CAM job to

        produce gerber files for these two layers, then name the output files

        AuTop.gbr and AuBot.gbr.  That and a note in the README file should make

        it pretty obvious to the board house which pads should be gold plated.

     

    I have attached to this post a zipped copy of the library.

     

    HTH,

        - Chuck

     

     

    On 06/06/2017 08:01 AM, rachaelp wrote:

    Hi Morten,

    There are some issues you also need to take care of, and Eagle is not

    helping much. They need to be specified to the manufacturer next to the

    gerbers.

     

    You are right, special care needs to be taken to ensure that the board manufacturer sees and acts upon the additional information. Is there a standard way other tools do this that you know of? I've only ever seen notes added to drawings which are printed and supplied as part of the gerber set... But I have seen those completely ignored previously so you have to work especially hard to ensure that your board house really has paid attention to any additional information supplied.

    1-Make sure the PCB thickness is matching your socket (Yea, I've managed

    to mess up this once!). If it's 1.6mm, you have a great chance of

    accidentially getting it right.

    That's a very good point, I guess lots of people learn that lesson the hard way.... In fact I will be designing a board with a card edge soon so I will make a note of that now so I don't forget and have a stupid fail on the first prototype! image

    2-The card edge needs beveling (v'shape) to be gentle to the receptor.

    See datasheet of the receptor for recommendations.

     

    3-The contacts need special coating to prevent oxidation. Normally this

    is done in production by shorting all the pins before final cutout,

    applying a voltage to them all while the edge of the pcb is dipped into

    some chemical for coating deposit, then the shorts are cut out and

    beveling applied. You can often see the thin tracks that used to short

    circuit all the pins as leftover on the wider pads.

    These are the two things I mentioned in my post, but I probably wasn't clear enough about the gold plating. So, the process you refer to is actually to produce a harder gold plating for the connector fingers rather than the softer plating you get when you have a typical gold finished board. It's not about a surface to protect from oxidation, its so it's mechanically strong enough surface that it can withstand insertion into the edge connector socket without damaging the surface. I didn't actually know how it was done and that extra shorting traces were required which were then removed as part of the bevelling. Very useful info, thanks image

    Also see http://www.eurocircuits.com/blog/gold-plating-for-edge-connectors/ (https://www.element14.com/community/external-link.jspa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurocircuits.com%2Fblog%2Fgold-plating-for-edge-connectors%2F)

    Ahhh, Eurocircuits, my go to board house for prototype boards. I've bookmarked that link for my upcoming project. Thanks image

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    On 06.06.2017 14:01, rachaelp wrote:

     

    I could also mention that some edge connector standards defines

    different lengths on edge pads, so that some pads makes contact early

    (usually GND, nice for static potential equalization) or late (usually

    some kind of card detect, for hotswapping use). But the old pcb images

    shown doesn't seem to care, not necessarily because it wasnt necessary,

    but rather because they didnt know about its advantages, or had the tech

    to plate them back then.

     

    Check the funny pin #2 from the left of https://i.stack.imgur.com/TK6jG.png

     

    Also, have a look at your SD-card or similar to check different lengths.

     

    Found this cool link:

    http://www.connectortips.com/can-edge-card-connectors-be-exciting/

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to dukepro

    On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:12:35 -0400, Chuck Huber

    <chuck.huber@dukepro.com> wrote:

     

    Dmitriy,

     

    Card edge connectors have been discussed several times in this forum.

    Rachael, Gerald, and Morten all provide very good advice.  Board

    thickness, plating, and corner bevels are all important.

     

    Morten mentioned using a special coating for the contacts.  This coating

    is usually gold (Au), for two reasons.  The first and foremost reason

    was mentioned by Morten - it prevents oxidation.  The second reason is

    to prevent galvanic corrosion.  Galvanic corrosion occurs when two

    dissimilar metals are in contact in the presence of an electrolyte.  In

    our case, the electrolyte is water vapor and oxygen in the air.  The

    contact and subsequent corrosion will cause unwanted voltage offsets and

    intermittent connection.

     

    In school, did you ever insert a copper strip and a zinc strip into a

    potato or a lemon and measure the voltage it produced, or used it to

    power an LCD clock?  When the experiment was complete the electrodes had

    corroded.  This experiment exploits galvanic corrosion to harvest

    energy.  Obviously the goal, in your case, is not to exploit these

    effects, but to to avoid them.

     

    The connector used to attach to the card edge will most likely have gold

    contacts.  Therefore, it is imperative that the contacts on the card

    edge also have gold plating.  Since gold is a relatively soft metal

    (considerably softer than copper), the connector and card edge both have

    a limited number of insertions before the gold is worn away in critical

    spots.

     

    Nickel or tin plating may also be available.  The cost is about the same

    as gold plating (it's the process that drives the cost - not the

    material).  But whatever you choose, make sure the same material is

    plated onto the circuit board.

     

    Look for my post on 21-Jan-2014 titled "Re: Help for footprint (edge

    mounted connector)". I posted card-edge.lbr.zip which contains a 50-pin

    edge connector setup in three different packages - one for the left end

    of the edge, one for the right end of the edge, and one for somewhere in

    between. I believe a link to the thread is

    http://www.element14.com/community/message/101512.

     

    From that post:

     

       Carsten,

       

       The attached isn't exactly what you want, but it should serve as a guide

       on how to design an edge connector.  It's a 50-pin card edge connector

       with three different configurations - left end of board edge, right end

       of board edge, and middle of board edge.  As Richard mentioned, you will

       have to work with your board house to specify the gold plating.

       

       Note that zero-width wires are placed in the Dimension layer to specify

       the cutout.  What's NOT in the design is a polygon or rectangle that

       specifies the top and bottom finish.  Eagle has tFinish and bFinish

       layers to specify exactly this.  You can add sections to your CAM job to

       produce gerber files for these two layers, then name the output files

       AuTop.gbr and AuBot.gbr.  That and a note in the README file should make

       it pretty obvious to the board house which pads should be gold plated.

     

    I have attached to this post a zipped copy of the library.

     

    HTH,

       - Chuck

     

     

    On 06/06/2017 08:01 AM, rachaelp wrote:

    Hi Morten,

    There are some issues you also need to take care of, and Eagle is not

    helping much. They need to be specified to the manufacturer next to the

    gerbers.

     

    You are right, special care needs to be taken to ensure that the board manufacturer sees and acts upon the additional information. Is there a standard way other tools do this that you know of? I've only ever seen notes added to drawings which are printed and supplied as part of the gerber set... But I have seen those completely ignored previously so you have to work especially hard to ensure that your board house really has paid attention to any additional information supplied.

    1-Make sure the PCB thickness is matching your socket (Yea, I've managed

    to mess up this once!). If it's 1.6mm, you have a great chance of

    accidentially getting it right.

    That's a very good point, I guess lots of people learn that lesson the hard way.... In fact I will be designing a board with a card edge soon so I will make a note of that now so I don't forget and have a stupid fail on the first prototype! image

    2-The card edge needs beveling (v'shape) to be gentle to the receptor.

    See datasheet of the receptor for recommendations.

     

    3-The contacts need special coating to prevent oxidation. Normally this

    is done in production by shorting all the pins before final cutout,

    applying a voltage to them all while the edge of the pcb is dipped into

    some chemical for coating deposit, then the shorts are cut out and

    beveling applied. You can often see the thin tracks that used to short

    circuit all the pins as leftover on the wider pads.

    These are the two things I mentioned in my post, but I probably wasn't clear enough about the gold plating. So, the process you refer to is actually to produce a harder gold plating for the connector fingers rather than the softer plating you get when you have a typical gold finished board. It's not about a surface to protect from oxidation, its so it's mechanically strong enough surface that it can withstand insertion into the edge connector socket without damaging the surface. I didn't actually know how it was done and that extra shorting traces were required which were then removed as part of the bevelling. Very useful info, thanks image

    Also see http://www.eurocircuits.com/blog/gold-plating-for-edge-connectors/ (https://www.element14.com/community/external-link.jspa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurocircuits.com%2Fblog%2Fgold-plating-for-edge-connectors%2F)

    Ahhh, Eurocircuits, my go to board house for prototype boards. I've bookmarked that link for my upcoming project. Thanks image

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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    If you look at the PCI specification, or even the Connector

    specification. Details of the mating card are outlined and can just be

    copied into your eagle design as FAB notes. The FAB hosue will know

    what to do, as others have mentioned the choice of a hard gold finish

    on the contacts is important.

     

    My first PCI board came out just fine using notes from the PCI spec.

    The board house can add the connecting wires for the plating so it's

    not necessary to show them.

     

    Cheers

     

     

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