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EAGLE User Support (English) unpopulated 4 layer board came back shorted between 3v3 and gnd. Cannot find the issue
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unpopulated 4 layer board came back shorted between 3v3 and gnd. Cannot find the issue

frippe75
frippe75 over 6 years ago

Hi!

 

The board has a short between 3v3 and gnd and I cannot find it using drc/erc.

I have overlaps for sure. Those are mainly due to me drilling in pads. I have gone through all overlaps related to gnd and 3v3 signals.

 

The dru is from OSHpark and their published tolerances for a 4layer board.

Tried measuing resistance on board but maybe my multimeter is too simple to show anything. But since the board is not populated and still shorted thats a bad idea.

 

From a schematic perspective the 3v3 and gnd cannot be shorted since they are not connected. Has to be on the board side, right?

 

Trying to determine if I should go back to OSHpark or not. Got three copies and they are the same so thinking this is a design issue more than anything else.

 

Any ideas?

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 6 years ago in reply to frippe75 +4
    On 17/02/2019 18:25, Fredrik Tarnell wrote: Thanks Jan. Uploaded the brd file to my github https://github.com/frippe75/Medbee I think this is your problem. The DRC caught it but you've ignored so many…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago +3
    If you have access to a themal camera, you can put a power supply that has current control on the two lines. Either the heat will show up on the camera and indicate where the short is, or the current will…
  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 6 years ago in reply to frippe75 +3
    On 17/02/2019 21:18, Fredrik Tarnell wrote: Hi Rob, Just think I ignored them in general or a particular one. They are (from a brief look) all 1-16 vias, which connect all layers. The particular one I…
  • luislabmo
    luislabmo over 6 years ago

    Hi Fredrik,

     

    Please attach the eagle files that way members can take a look and help you answering your questions.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago

    If you have access to a themal camera, you can put a power supply that has  current control on the two lines.

     

    Either the heat will show up on the camera and indicate where the short is, or the current will burn away the short. A win in both cases.

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  • frippe75
    frippe75 over 6 years ago in reply to luislabmo

    Just a little scared of the feedback. I know I have violated a lot of best practices.
    First attempt routing a 4 layer and might have bitten more than I can chew.

    But first mistake might be staying too close to advertised tolerances.

    Via/drill in pads

    Also my powerplane is a little messy.
    Should have cleaned up a few traces and so on.

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  • frippe75
    frippe75 over 6 years ago in reply to frippe75

    Cannot attach files... trying to rename the .brd -> .txt

     

    But still get "The content type of this attachment is not allowed."

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago in reply to frippe75

    Don't be scared. The feedback is friendly.

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  • frippe75
    frippe75 over 6 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Thanks Jan. Uploaded the brd file to my github

    https://github.com/frippe75/Medbee


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  • frippe75
    frippe75 over 6 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I kind of started cleaning up the board in general (still wanting to try to solve/understand the issue I'm facing). So if the boardhouse says clearance is 5mil. Changing to 6 mil wouldn't heart as a start.
    Read about hairline short circuit and so on and realize I might be oversimplifying the PCB layout magic. Trying to go from white-belt to black-belt without passing a few colors along the way.
    Have a USB diff pair that I didn't meander to matched lengths and so on. I will be ordering another itteration of my board but was hoping to get it off the ground at least. But VCC->GND short ruled that out...

    My board routed to 98% using the autorouter but this version is me trying to manual route it. If I define nets and setup clearances with a bit of wiggleroom does the autorouter really work or is it always better to route manually?


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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 6 years ago in reply to frippe75

    On 17/02/2019 18:25, Fredrik Tarnell wrote:

    Thanks Jan. Uploaded the brd file to my github

     

    https://github.com/frippe75/Medbee

     

     

     

    I think this is your problem. The DRC caught it but you've ignored so

    many overlap errors that you didn't see how important this one is.

     

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  • frippe75
    frippe75 over 6 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Rob,

     

    Just think I ignored them in general or a particular one. Have been ignoring the overlaps due to drill in pads and close to pads.
    But they are the same signals. Could it be that I'm chasing one via which is "infront" of a another via or something similar?

    Have read about that occurring. I.e cloning vias and renaming them but accidentally hitting clone twice and only rename the one "in the front"....

    Thanks for replying b.t.w!




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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago in reply to frippe75

    Meandring USB signals are advanced topics. Maybe focus on all the basic layout priciples first? Get that USB ones as close to the edge as possible and forget about them. Focus on all those other components.

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