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Raspberry Pi - Hardware Flaws and Fixups?

e14 Contributor
e14 Contributor over 14 years ago

Several people have commented on the hardware design of the Raspberry Pi.  Some are buried in other topics so please post your comments here.  I'll try my best to answer questions about the design decisions we made.  The Raspberry Pi is not perfect, never will be.  I've always found that perfect designs have a habit of never getting built, engineers are always a bit guilty of that, but I had Eben phoning/emailing me every day wanting to know when it would be finished.  Also, one persons perfection is another persons nightmare.

 

e14 is the home for engineers so please contribute to make Raspberry Pi better.

 

Thanks

 

Pete

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 14 years ago

    Now that people have actually started receiving the boards so the design in final, is the schematic close to being posted?  I looked around again in various likely places just now, but haven't spotted it yet.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to morgaine

    actually, the design may not be quite final yet.  Liz said: "Happily, we’ve found it doesn’t need a shielded enclosure to reach Class B, although it will require a (very minimal) redesign." http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/978, page 3, April 10, 2012 at 7:04 pm.

     

    It hasn't been announced when such a change might be implemented, but probably better sooner rather than later, given the large production runs planned, perhaps along with a change to fix the SD card voltage issue.

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  • rew
    rew over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    You shouldn't host a popular website and forum on a raspberry pi.

    The forum on raspberrypi.org is moving to phpbb instead of the wordpress thingy. Why? PHPBB is written more efficiently so that it will be able to handle increasing traffic.

    Writing reasonably efficient code will allow you to do things with your 'pi that it was made for. You'll have to buy a bigger machine to do bigger things.

    The fact that chips are listed does not mean that they are available. They often make nice pages advertizing new products cleverly hiding the fact that they are not available until 3Q2012. They hope you'll design with their component and only then find out that you can't buy them in quantity. That said, no 8Gb, 168 ball, 1.8V DDR2 is listed in the page you mentioned. (I don't know how likely it is that they would be compatible if it were listed). On the other site, I could not find any specs to see if it might be compatible.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to rew

    right, you shouldn't host a popular website on a RPi, but you might want

    to host a less popular website, with 1GB+ of the most frequently accessed

    pages cached in RAM.

     

    It looks like the 8Gb, 168 ball, DDR2 part listed is 1.2V rather than 1.8V.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    If you have that kind of high hitrate, you shouldn't use a Pi for it..

    The RPi is perfectly suitable for a server, costs about 64 - 80 MB in memory, remaining is for applications, caching...  more than enough to do all kind of things

    I usually use the filesystem for storing webdata, no database overhead and very fast access, most of the time everything is cached automaticly by the filesystem.

    I hope that in feature version they will stick to the 256 MB.....

    That will make/force people to make/find more efficient solutions/programs.

     

    Hans

     


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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    Hans,

      It may seem to you that the RPi was designed with a ridiculously small RAM

    in order to "make/force people to make/find more efficient solutions/programs".

    But that isn't the case. 

     

    It was designed the way it is because it was repurposed from the Roku design

    as an educational computer rather than a media center, with no easy way to

    enlarge the PoP memory.  As opportunities for enlarging the memory become

    readily available, I'm sure the RPi will take advantage of them, even beyond 4GB.

     

    If the RPi designers actually subscribed to the "hair shirt theory of programming

    excellence", they would have reduced the cost by using 128MB instead of 256MB,

    or maybe even left off the PoP RAM completely and used the 128KB L2 cache for

    program memory.  That would still have been much more memory than the BBC micro.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to rew

    Hynix 4Gb (=512MB) PoP RAM is now in mass production.

     

    http://www.hynix.com/products/mobile/mobile.jsp?info.ramCategory=&info.ramKind=28&info.eol=NOT&posMap=MobileDDR2

     

    previously this page showed the status as "customer samples".

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  • fustini
    fustini over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    Did you end up trying your DS1338 RTC board with with Pi? 

     

    It looks like it can operate at 3.3V so no level conversion is needed.  I've hooked up the DS1307 RTC with bootc.net's Linux 3.2 image and it worked well.  But I'm interested to switch to 3.3V part so avoid the wiring mess.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 14 years ago in reply to fustini

    Drew, I didn't even realize that Element 14 had their own blog system until you posted this, and that people were replicating RPF's blog posts to it.

     

    That could be very useful, since it allows commentary without their petty censorship, and it overcomes the Foundation's continued attachment to Wordpress which has always made navigating their blog a pain.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to fustini

    If you're willing and able to recompile the kernel, you can add some platform data and have the kernel read the rtc and set the date and time for you. This removes the need to use hwclock and binding the driver to the correct i2c address. It's possible to add platform data for all sorts of i2c devices so that they come up automatically on boot, regardless of userspace.

     

    One of my projects is to add an RTC and a GPS with PPS output to my Pi and turn it into an NTP server.

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    fustini over 14 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Yikes, I've read about IP address bans and just realized that might mean a user wouldn't be able to even read the RaspberryPi.org blog, is that right?

     

    In general, I'd love to see more members of this group post in the group's blog about any Pi projects/tinkering they might be doing.  I'm going to post about another I2C device shortly.

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    fustini over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    That sounds very exciting!  I'm going to have to try that.  The attraction of the Pi to me is being able to meld my electronics tinkering with the kernel I've been running for so many years - and learn more about how it works at a lower level in the process.

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    fustini over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    That sounds very exciting!  I'm going to have to try that.  The attraction of the Pi to me is being able to meld my electronics tinkering with the kernel I've been running for so many years - and learn more about how it works at a lower level in the process.

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