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Power Supply issues

mcb1
mcb1 over 13 years ago

I received my Pi and loaded a card, got it running after stealing my daughters 230v to USB and a USB to micro cable.

 

I'm now experiencing issues with the voltage falling below 4.8v (which seems to be the magic hdmi or not figure) at TP1,2

 

Checking across F3, I can read a drop of 120-140mV (0.12 - 0.14v) with nothing plugged in (USB or HDMI). Obviously this is between the micro usb and TP1.

 

 

My question is, should there be any voltage drop across this semiconductor fuse?

 

 

re the Power supplies, I have tried several that have ratings of 1000mA to 1200mA and beyond.

The next step is a 7805 regulator to ensure a clean 5v.

 

Mark

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    rew over 13 years ago

    Are you just measuring a "too low" voltage, or are you experiencing problems?

     

    Every fuse will incur a voltage drop across it. The larger the current rating the lower the voltage drop. 120 mV does not sound unreasonable to me. I'll measure mine later today for you.

     

    Although people state that the 5V should be within 4.75-5.25, that is not completely true in practise. In fact the 'pi itself should be able to run perfectly down to about 4.4V. The voltage at the outgoing USB ports will be "out of spec" though. Still nothing that is likely to immediately cause malfunctions with simple things like a keyboard.

     

    As long as your powersupply is rated at 1000mA or more, it is most likely the USB cable that is causing the voltage to sag a little.

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    rew over 13 years ago

    Are you just measuring a "too low" voltage, or are you experiencing problems?

     

    Every fuse will incur a voltage drop across it. The larger the current rating the lower the voltage drop. 120 mV does not sound unreasonable to me. I'll measure mine later today for you.

     

    Although people state that the 5V should be within 4.75-5.25, that is not completely true in practise. In fact the 'pi itself should be able to run perfectly down to about 4.4V. The voltage at the outgoing USB ports will be "out of spec" though. Still nothing that is likely to immediately cause malfunctions with simple things like a keyboard.

     

    As long as your powersupply is rated at 1000mA or more, it is most likely the USB cable that is causing the voltage to sag a little.

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    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to rew

    Thanks Rodger.

     

    Are you just measuring a "too low" voltage, or are you experiencing problems?

     

    I'm using an HDMI to DVI adaptor, and when the voltage dips below 4.8v, the display drops out.

    The USB devices are fine.

     

     

    As long as your powersupply is rated at 1000mA or more, it is most likely the USB cable that is causing the voltage to sag a little.

    While the cable and micro adaptor is adding a little (120mV), I think the power supply dropping is the major problem.

     

    I will rectify it with a 7805 regulator and 9v power pack in the meantime.

     

    Unfortunately here in NZ, the micro usb phone chargers are an arm and a leg, unless it came free with the phone.

     

    Thanks

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    rew over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Ok. FYI,  my RPI uses about 350mA average. No dynamic measurements have been made yet.

     

    For your convenience, you could connect the 5V to the GPIO 5V pin. This is AFTER the fuse, so you'll eliminate the voltage drop across the fuse as well. The 7805 is "dynamically fused" as well, so there shouldn't be much of a drawback.

     

    Good luck!

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    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to rew

    Rodger

    Thanks for the check.

    I have a cheap hub, and intend to add the 7805 there, to form a powered hub, which then provides the 5v for the USB devices, and a feed to the micro usb.

     

    Having spent the last 30+ years as an electronics technician, fixing it wasn't the problem, but providing some information to others that may be experiencing the same issue would be beneficial.

     

    I thought the tracks to the GPIO weren't rated for the full current... (I had considered soldering to either side of C6)

     

    I like fuses...however it became the last straw in my case.

    I do prefer the ones where you hold it up to the light and then get the magnifying glasess out ..!

     

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Mark,

      You could try adding

         

         config_hdmi_boost=4

     

    to your config.txt file.  That boosts the hdmi signal strength,

    which is needed for longer cables.  The signal strengh was

    reduced by default for RF compliance.

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    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    coder27 wrote:

     

      You could try adding config_hdmi_boost=4

     

    Thanks Coder

    I did add that, but it tends to make it worse. I suspect it drops the voltage a little more.

    Its also possible the HDMI to DVI is partly the issue, but with no HDMI input device, I'm using what I have.

     

    I have just picked up a 230v to micro USB charger, so I'll try that before adding power to the hub.

     

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    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Update

     

    The $30 Warehouse micro USB Wallwart (powerpack here down under) worked a treat.

    Board now has 5.1v when running (too hard to measure unplugged), and the display has no missing pixels.

     

    Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.

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