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Is Pi ex-stock at Farnell now?

morgaine
morgaine over 13 years ago

I haven't been following any discussions about Pi preorder backlogs in recent times, but from the lack of thread titles about delivery, I had gained the impression that the days of preordering Pi were long gone.  This was reinforced by the fact that several 2nd tier retailers now sell Pi and Pi kits ex-stock, so it would  be somewhat ludicrous if the boards weren't ex-stock also at their primary Farnell distributors.  Is this assumption correct?

 

The reason I ask is that I logged into my account at Farnell UK and was about to order a Pi Model A, since I was considering making a display server for which a Model A is a better fit than the Model B which I have currently.  As always with Farnell orders, I was intending to check stock first, since I usually  order only from stock for next-day delivery and so I highly appreciate the stock levels that Farnell UK always displays.

 

As it turned out, Farnell UK redirected me to the export site, just like in the bad old days of huge Pi shortages and preordering.  The redirection is bad enough in its own right since it would prevent Pi being bought as part of a larger Farnell order, but to compound the problem, the export site shows no stock level information at all.  This greatly decreases the site utility compared to Farnell's normal (and very excellent) service.  It's a purchasing disincentive, as evidenced by the fact that I was all set to make a purchase but didn't.

 

So, a few questions about Farnell's Pi sales in general:

 

  • Where does Farnell stand in respect of Pi stock levels and specifically, ex-stock Pi sales?
  • If Farnell holds Pi ex-stock now, why aren't Pi boards available from the normal Farnell UK site?
  • And if Pi is still not available ex-stock, why not, since 2nd tier retailers do have it in stock?
  • Finally, the current arrangement is a disincentive to Farnell Pi sales.  Are you going to fix this?

 

If these questions have been answered somewhere else, perhaps in Farnell statements or FAQs, I would appreciate relevant pointers.  Thanks. image

 

Morgaine.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 13 years ago

    Morgaine

     

    We have a similar system for NZ.

    If you don't choose 'business' you end up at Trademe (NZ style ebay).

     

    If you enter the code into the Product Code search on the E14 sites, it will come up.

    For NZ/AUS there are 1592 Model B ( 2191863 )and 847 Model A (2254699) exstock for next day delivery.

     

    Mark

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Thanks Mark, it's very good to know that Pi is ex-stock at Farnell NZ.

     

    Unfortunately that trick doesn't work on the UK site, as entering a code like 2191863 takes me to http://piregistration.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html?Ntt=2191863 and clicking on Order Now! then takes me to http://export.farnell.com/rp/order/ and into the export site's merry-go-round from the bad old days of preordering.

     

    Selecting Business->Order Now from there does indeed take me to uk.farnell.com's Pi product page which presumably shows the stock as usual, but that data is obliterated by the bugged popup that I reported on Friday, so the stock level isn't visible.  Even if the bug were fixed, there's no guarantee that I'll be able to dismiss the popup and order a Pi like I order any other in-stock product from Farnell UK.  (I'll check again when they fix the bugged popup.)

     

    Given your experience, it's highly likely that Pi is now available ex-stock from Farnell worldwide, certainly in UK.  Why then do we have to jump through hoops to buy it, compared to the slick customer-friendly ease with which Farnell makes everything else available?  Why does ordering a Pi have to be so much more painful than ordering a BBB for example?

     

    I know that the original reason was that the normal Farnell sites would have collapsed under weight of demand for Pi and the export site was much more scalable.  But that was then.  Why is the Farnell ordering experience for Pi boards so unfriendly today, now that preordering is no longer required?

     

    I hope that someone from Element 14 or Premier Farnell can answer my questions, and hopefully report that Pi is in the process of being turned into a normal product.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Very annoying popup.

    I tried through this way, where you can kill the popup and order using the right hand side.

    uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi-accessories#

     

    But you are quite correct why make normal buyers jump through hurdles ? ......

     

    image

     

     

    Mark

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Wow, that worked!  I've managed to place a Model A into my Farnell UK shopping cart.  Much obliged, Mark. image

    Hopefully I'll manage to repeat it on Monday and add some other items to the order without the Pi getting rejected.

     

    They currently have 5,447 Model A in stock and 5,947 Model B, which makes sense since Pi is manufactured here and RPF is here too.  Apparently nobody has bought a Model A since the time you looked, whereas Model B stock has decreased by a few dozen.  Curious.

     

    But yeah, why make us jump through hoops and require us to find ways to bypass their denial of good Farnell service?

     

    Sometimes I wonder whether business actually wants our money ... grrrr.

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    e14 Contributor over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    All you really need is the part numbers. Just go to your shopping basket (or the quick buy thing on the top right of the front page), type the numbers in then click add to basket or update basket. The shopping basket shows the stock levels, no popups, no re-directs.

     

    The funny part is that even when you have a model B in your basket, clicking on the part number forces you to the re-direct page, not the product page...

     

    7543 model A, 23488 model B showing today, although I don't fully trust stock levels with numbers this high. BBB still shows 15000 due for delivery on the 1st July while Circuitco says they've only shipped 33,533 in total so far. The BBB used to have one of these re-direct pages too, but it seems to have been removed now.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine
    Sometimes I wonder whether business actually wants our money ... grrrr.

    It was hinted that it was tied to retailing the product, but I think that is incorrect, as the foundation don't seem to mind who but are keen to stick to the price.

     

    Personally trying to find ALL the Raspberry Pi stuff is frustration multiplied by 10.

    Sometimes you get lucky with some parts, and you actually get a page showing them, and others you have a choice of obscure categories.

     

    Just how anyone finds the bits is a mystery.

     

    Mark

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  • e14 Contributor
    e14 Contributor over 13 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor
    Circuitco says they've only shipped 33,533 in total so far.

     

     

    Today (June 18)  it's 35,983.

     

    http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments

     

    Too bad there's no graph of shipments over time. see following post!

     

    Edited to add:

       22 June 2013:  40,283

       24 June 2013:  41,583

       26 June 2013:  42,883

       27 June 2013:  44,183

       28 June 2013:  45,433

       29 June 2013:  46,633

       02 July 2013:   48,133

       03 July 2013:   49,433

       08 July 2013:   50,533

       09 July 2013:   51,733

       11 July 2013:   52,983

       12 July 2013:   54,183

       13 July 2013:   55,183

       16 July 2013:   56,183

       18 July 2013:   56,983

       19 July 2013:   57,583

       30 July 2013:   58,909

       09 Aug 2013:   60,659

       14 Aug 2013:   61,784

       15 Aug 2013:   62,784

       19 Aug 2013:   63,284

       22 Aug 2013:   64,034

       23 Aug 2013:   65,134

       27 Aug 2013:   65,884

       28 Aug 2013:   66,384

       29 Aug 2013:   66,884

       30 Aug 2013:   70,620

       04 Sep 2013:   71,120

       05 Sep 2013:   71,520

       14 Sep 2013:   72,020

       23 Sep 2013:   74,020

       27 Sep 2013:   76,020

       09 Oct 2013:    82,020

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 13 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    This is a sample of the numbers in the page history, which is crude method I know!

    18 June 35983

    15 June 33533

    14 June 32033

    12 June 30533

    11 June 29068

    7 June  27868

    6 June  26768

    5 June  24568

    3 June   23568

    31 May  22168

     

    EDIT: Latest graph including coder27's figures. Maybe  the machines may have some very brief 'off time' in the first week of every month.

    EDIT: Approaching 60,000. That's a lot of BBBs.. For perspective, stacked on top of each other, about a kilometer high, taller than any building..

    EDIT: >65k. Nice that lots of people are getting to enjoy BeagleBones.

    EDIT: >71k. The BBBs must have been getting batched up somewhere for some reason!

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to shabaz

    shabaz wrote:

     

    <raw data + plotted graph>

     

    Awesome, good engineering in action!!!

     

    And the eye easily overcomes the sampling randomness of page history.  We have a pretty effective statistician in our skulls. image

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

    Hopefully I'll manage to repeat it on Monday and add some other items to the order without the Pi getting rejected.

    Morgaine

     

    Did it work out, or did it reject.?

     

    Mark

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    I just checked back here after a related discussion, and discovered that I'd left your question unanswered  --- whoops, sorry Mark! image

     

    The answer is that I don't know, because by the time I'd got around to ordering, Farnell UK had made Pi into a normal ex-stock item (with huge stocks), so the entire need for "creative" ways of adding a Pi to the shopping cart vanished.  There is no longer that extremely annoying divert to the export site, all of Farnell's usual fast-delivery options are available, and account/order management is as per normal.

     

    This is of course the best possible outcome, and that was my wish and motivation for this thread.

     

    So, happy days for Pi buyers, at least in UK. image

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine

    No sweat.

    I keep having trouble that the javascript doesn't always update, so sometimes it says no changes.

     

    I am please to announce that Andy Laing, Raspberry Pi Global Product Manager at Premier Farnell will be joining the Top Member group to answer your Raspberry Pi questions August 5th - 16th

    Hopefully he might be able to answer the question properly ....

     

     

    Cheers

    mark

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    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine

    No sweat.

    I keep having trouble that the javascript doesn't always update, so sometimes it says no changes.

     

    I am please to announce that Andy Laing, Raspberry Pi Global Product Manager at Premier Farnell will be joining the Top Member group to answer your Raspberry Pi questions August 5th - 16th

    Hopefully he might be able to answer the question properly ....

     

     

    Cheers

    mark

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Mark Beckett wrote:

     

    I keep having trouble that the javascript doesn't always update

     

    I'm getting off-topic now, but since the topic is pretty much done and resolved in the best possible way ...

     

    Client-side browser Javascript is the single worst security disaster of the current-day Internet, and should be disabled at all costs by anyone who is security-conscious.  There are only two parties who think client-side Javascript is good, and that's security-clueless webbies and organized crime.

     

    As the very smallest precaution anyone should take, run the NoScript add-on in Firefox (preferably together with FlashBlock, Ghostery and AdBlock), and only enable sites temporarily when there is no option other than to not use the site at all.  And there are lots of reasons to choose the latter.

     

    Unfortunately Jive is infested with Javascript.  Yes, it's a problem, not for the site but for us.

     

    Here's the latest "Javascript benefit" in a steady stream of thousands of weaknesses and exploits over the years.  Read and weep (and security-clueless webbies, ignore it as usual) -- new-javascript-based-timing-attack-steals-all-browser-source-data .

     

    It's a sad reflection of the fact that the original Internet engineering where choices were made on technical merit have been replaced by webbies doing what to them is "cool".  Architecting for security is a distant memory.

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    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine

    Thanks for the advice.

    Unfortunately you need java for the E14, and at work we had some filtering taking place so some of the menu/buttons worked and other didn't. (ie the reply, or view comments)

    Luckily we now have BYOD with a seperate wireless network, so the night shifts aren't so frustrating.

     

    I'll download the NoScript and Flashblock, and I already run adblock and Ghostery.

    I also run Avast which does a good job of blocking the nasty sites with malicious code.

     

    I think the webbies also forget how slow it makes sites ... its easy when its on the same Gibabyte lan.

     

     

    Cheers

    Mark

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Mark Beckett wrote:

     

    Unfortunately you need java for the E14

     

    Just Javascript, not Java, unless there are some Java pages that I haven't visited yet.  Hopefully not.

     

    I think the webbies also forget how slow it makes sites ..

     

    Yep.  But they don't care.  By definition, webbies are completely clueless.  It's tautological.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Just Javascript, not Java, unless there are some Java pages that I haven't visited yet.  Hopefully not.

    No you're probably right and I mistakenly lumped java and javascript in together.image

     

    Mark

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Hardly a day passes without yet another exploit achieved through use of client-side Javascript.  Here's today's installment, and it's absolutely massive --- half-of-tor-sites-compromised-including-tormail .

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