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Raspberry Power DC Power Supply

gadget.iom
gadget.iom over 10 years ago

A recent discussion by Robin Gunning (Raspberry pi powersupply change from micro usb to dc power plug) led me to investigate the feasibility of creating a board allowing a DC power jack to be connected to the Raspberry Pi.

 

 

I have created my first ever Eagle Schematic but would appreciate some feedback on the suitability of the design and any comments/suggestions you may have for improvements or potential pitfalls.

 

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The aim is to have a 26-way extension header so that shields can be added on top of this board. The 26-way header should also be compatible with the 40-way header on the newer plus editions of the Raspberry Pi.

 

Thanks

Paul

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  • gadget.iom
    gadget.iom over 10 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks Rew and shabaz. Good feedback. image

     

    One of the earlier suggestions about using a 5v PSU directly indicated that many people have them lying around, so I thought I'd play on that strength, which is where the readily accessible standard connector may be an advantage.

     

    If over-voltage (which is very likely to present an issue) needs to be mitigated, how about placing a resettable fuse in series with the +5 line and then installing a zener diode (maybe 2 or 3 in parallel) that breaks down on a reverse voltage of over 5.3v for example. Would this trip the resettable fuse?

     

    Resettable Fuse:

    http://uk.farnell.com/bourns/rm008-240-2/fuse-resettable-ptc-240vac-80ma/dp/2366925

     

    Example Diodes:

    http://uk.farnell.com/nxp/plva653a-215/zener-diode-0-25w-5-3v-sot-23/dp/2439627?ost=zener&categoryId=700000004649

    http://uk.farnell.com/rohm/kdztr5-1b/diode-zener-5-1v-1w-sod-123/dp/2143976

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 10 years ago in reply to gadget.iom

    Hi Paul,

     

    You could use such an approach based on zeners as you say.

    I think just a text label could be "good enough" for RPI protection maybe (not everything needs an electronic solution), but a zener/fuse option may be cheap enough too (the zener

    needs to handle a high amount of current for a length of time, otherwise it could be damaged too - there are other tricks that use zener + MOSFET as an example).

    There are even dedicated ICs for this situation too - that's possibly a bit 'over the top' for protecting an RPI though.

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  • rew
    rew over 10 years ago in reply to gadget.iom

    Thing is: what are you prepared to handle... I have one of those 5.5/2.1 connectors lying on my desk here. It is connected to a 12V/30A ATX powersupply. That's some serious stuff to try to absorb that with a resettable fuse or a zener. And wasn't the idea to be able to provide more than say 100mA to the USB ports? So if you want "normal operation" at 4*500mA + RPI, your worst case becomes that the powersupply ends up delivering only 5.5V at 2.5A  (with the RPI+devices only using < 0.2A) (it's a lowsy 12V 2A or 2.5A powersupply), and you'll have to dissipate that heat in your zeners, at a current that the fuse should be able to tolerate....

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  • gadget.iom
    gadget.iom over 10 years ago in reply to rew

    The kind of circuit I was thinking of employing is as follows:

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    Would the Zener(s) have to dissipate any heat during normal operation in this configuration? There is a risk of zener damage when the reverse voltage is exceeded, though i'm wondering if the offset in cost of repairing/replacing this small board vs an RPi would make it an advantageous addition to the board.

     

    The resettable fuse could be rated at 2-2.5A. Following my (somewhat limited) experience with Zener barriers I may parallel two or three diodes to increase the infallibility factor. Might this also reduce the current each zener has to withstand?

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    gadget.iom over 10 years ago in reply to gadget.iom

    Another device I was considering was this: http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/ncp361snt1g/voltage-detector-20ua-20v-tsop/dp/2382339

    Unfortunately it includes built-in overcurrent protection that limits the load to 750mA. This may not be sufficient for some use cases.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 10 years ago in reply to gadget.iom

    Hi Paul,

     

    I'm not sure about that device, and I think finding high current zeners/making them parallel while it may work is not ideal but there is a useful voltage protection PDF here that explores a few options.

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  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 10 years ago

    It is -3 degrees (why no super/sub on text editor?) Fahrenheit outside here in Chicago.  Fretting about 5 to 15 W of static dissipation (presuming this heat is properly spread) at the corner of my bench seems neurasthenic today.  People make the gadget you describe all of the time.  The problems a prior poster mentioned about the ubiquity of the connector do obtain.  Here are some solutions:

     

    The plug could be polarized the wrong way:  If you want to have non-functionality in this context, use an input diode.  If loss in this diode upsets you, use a shottky.  If you want to have functionality in this context, use a bridge rectifier (absolute value circuit) on the input instead.  Throw in a cap and a protection diode to guard the regulator during discharge and you are even proof of AC adapters.

     

    The supply features too great a potential:  Add an input fuse, really you should anyway.  Shunt the supply with a backwards power (clamp) Zener.  This can be fashioned out of a regular-old Zener and a bipolar power transistor.  Use NPN, in Si electrons are lighter than holes.  With this scheme you can get reversal protection by shunting the power Zener with a backwards (to normal operation) power shottky.diode.  No static dissipation, but tape a couple spare fuses under the lid of the chassis.  In a non-conductive box, of course.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to D_Hersey

    The plug could be polarized the wrong way:

    We had some field equipment that sought to eliminate 'oops wrong way round' on the battery.

    They cleverly used a relay, that had a diode in series with the coil.

    If the input volts was correct it would close the relay contact and apply the voltage to the rest of the circuitry.

     

    You could also use this to ensure the voltage was 5v was within whatever tolerance you want, and prevent the relay from closing.

     

    Mark

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  • gadget.iom
    gadget.iom over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Thank you for that document link shabaz. I had never heard of a crowbar circuit before.

    Looks very promising.

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  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 10 years ago

    IRL I use these alot:

     

    http://www.microcenter.com/product/317906/AC-DC_Power_Adapter_%282AMP_,12V-5V%29_w-_4-pin_Molex_Connector

     

    Fig 20 seems to be a clever crowbar:

     

    http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm431.pdf

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