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RP2350 GPIO Pull-down Latching Bug

ralphjy
ralphjy over 1 year ago

I just saw this bug while searching the web.  I haven't been able to get a Pico 2 so I bought a Seeed Xiao RP2350 board which I just received yesterday.  Maybe it's a good thing that these boards have not been more available...

Here is the errata excerpt from the rp2350 datasheet

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At least this bug is documented.  I haven't powered my board yet so I have not had a chance to encounter the problem.

Here is a link to a post on Hackster - Hardware Bug in RP2350 leads to unexpected pull-down behavior.

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago

    Looks like the input buffer on the io pads is goofed.

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe

    A simple test, drive an IO pad with a source impedance of 10 kOhms

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    With the Input buffer disabled and Pull Up/Down Disabled

    mem32[0x40038000+4]=0x000

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    The IO pad doesn't load the 10kOhm source, as it should Ie being high-impedance.

    With the Input buffer enabled and Pull Up/Down Disabled

    mem32[0x40038000+4]=0x040

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    The IO pad is sourcing and sinking current and loading the source resistance.

    As a high impedance input it should not source or sink ANY current.

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  • genebren
    genebren over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Cool work on verifying/clarifying this Bug/Issue!

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    Jan Cumps over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Is that the same scenario as the bug report? I read it as: only impacting with the pull-down enabled.

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to genebren

    They didn't do a great job explaining the issue. The issue is the input buffer sources current into the IO pin, so the electrical characteristics table is wrong.

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    The pin latches in pull-down mode because this input buffer sources more current than the pull-down resistor can sink.

    The leakage of the input buffer looks something like the following.

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    The built-in pulldown resistors are strong enough to overdrive this weird input buffer, so one could also just add their own 10K pull-down resistor on board. 

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to genebren

    They didn't do a great job explaining the issue. The issue is the input buffer sources current into the IO pin, so the electrical characteristics table is wrong.

    image

    The pin latches in pull-down mode because this input buffer sources more current than the pull-down resistor can sink.

    The leakage of the input buffer looks something like the following.

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    The built-in pulldown resistors are strong enough to overdrive this weird input buffer, so one could also just add their own 10K pull-down resistor on board. 

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