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Noise Measurements --R&S RTM3K Oscilloscope Road-Test Review

snidhi
snidhi
23 Jul 2018

  • Noise Measurements Using R&S RTM3K Oscilloscope
    • Setup for NULL Noise Measurements
    • Measuring the oscilloscope noise floor
    • RTM- 3004 Oscilloscope Noise as a function of Sensitivity
    • Noise Comparison with Keysight Tektronix and LeCroy 1GHz Bandwidth MSOs
    • Standard Noise Generator Noisecom NC6110

 

Noise Measurements Using R&S RTM3K Oscilloscope

This blog is in continuation from the Rohde & Schwarz Oscilloscope Kit RTM3K-COM4 - Review

 

Noise plays an important role in measurements and it can be internal or external. Typically the noise floor of an oscilloscope is in the range of millivolts peak-to-peak. Some of the ways to reduce noise in the circuit is by setting a BW limit filter of 20 MHz or using the average acquisition mode. In the averaging mode the noise gets canceled out.

 

Noise parameters of interest are:

  • Crest factor: Ratio of the peak value to the RMS value of the waveform
  • AC RMS Noise of the scope
  • Measuring the Vpeak-peak of the Noise Signal

 

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Setup for NULL Noise Measurements

  • Short all the input channels using 0 ohm short circuit cap to prevent any external signal coupling at the BNC inputs

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  • Set to maximum record length 80MSa
  • Set the sensitivity to highest 500uV/div and horizontal to 500 ps/div

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Fig: Measurement options

  • Measure 1 channel at a time to get the maximum sampling rate of 5Gs/sec.
  • Repeat for all channels and different Bandwidth as the noise floor decreases with BW.
  • Set the scope display to infinite persistence to check how thick is the resulting waveform.
  • 1:1 probe settings must be used and not the standard 10:1 settings

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Fig: Setup Settings

Measuring the oscilloscope noise floor

Results of the measurements:

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Fig: Channel 1 with Full Bandwidth 1GHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: FFT Channel1 with Full Bandwidth 1GHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: Channel 1 with BW Limit 500MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: FFT Channel1 with Full Bandwidth 500MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: Channel 1 with BW Limit 350MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

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Fig: FFT Channel1 with Full Bandwidth 350MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: Channel 1 with BW Limit 200MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: FFT Channel1 with Full Bandwidth 200MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: Channel 1 with BW Limit 100MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

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Fig: FFT Channel1 with Full Bandwidth 100MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: Channel 1 with BW Limit 20MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

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Fig: FFT Channel1 with Full Bandwidth 20MHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

Channel 1 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity at 5 GSa/s

Bandwidth SettingsCrest factorAC RMS Noise uVVp-p Noise uVFFT dBm
1GHz1.62320.48 uV425 uV-62 dBm
500 MHz1.41313 uV267 uV-62 dBm
350MHz1.37316 uV223 uV-54.4 dBm
200MHz1.4243 uV139 uV-54.4 dBm
100MHz1.38236 uV114 uV-57.1 dBm
20MHz-----------30.17uV-57.01 dBm

 

Channel 2 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity at 2.5 GSa/s

Bandwidth SettingsCrest Factor AC RMS Noise uVVp-p Noise uV
1GHz2.25121.42uV395.65
500MHz2.04110.25uV268.84uV
350MHz1.9999.195uV215.17uV
200MHz2.0068.13uV135.76uV
100MHz1.85-------111.92uV
20MHz--------------28.242uV

 

Channel 3 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity at 5 GSa/s at 1 GHz Full BW

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Fig: Channel 3 with Full Bandwidth 1GHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

Channel 4 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity at 5 GSa/s at 1 GHz Full BW

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Fig: Channel 4 with Full Bandwidth 1GHz. 500uV/div and 500ps/div sensitivity

 

Noise at Multiple Channels ON at 1GHz Full BW

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Fig: Full BW Measurements all 4 channels

 

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Fig: Full BW Measurements for Channel 1 and Channel 2

 

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Fig: Full BW Measurement Channel 2 and Channel 3

 

From the analysis; one can conclude that each analog input has its own different internal noise levels which also depends on the channel used and the number of ON channels at a time. The internal noise degrades as all the channels are turned on and is at full bandwidth with highest sampling rate.

 

Here one can see that the internal noise floor of the oscilloscope is a function of multiple parameters (specially the Bandwidth settings and even the channels) which must be considered during before signal measurements. The R&S RTM-3004 stands upto its specifications and delivers a very low internal noise. In some oscilloscopes of low range one can check that the noise floor varies significantly as all the channels are turned on but the RTM 3004 delivers similar noise floor irrespective of the number of channels used.

 

RTM- 3004 Oscilloscope Noise as a function of Sensitivity

The baseline noise of RTM 3004 1 GHz oscilloscope at different vertical sensitivities (volts/division)

 

Vertical Sensitivity (Volts/div)RMA Noise Floor at the 50 ohm BNC
1mV/div345uV
2mV/div343uV
5mV/div499uV
10mV/div552uV
20mV/div955uV
50mV/div2.4mV
100mV/div4.4mV
200mV/div8.78mV
500mV/div18.462mV
1V/div29mV

 

Such techniques must be kept in mind when measuring small signals or signals where measurement system noise plays an important role.

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Fig: Noise vs Sensitivity

 

Noise Comparison with Keysight Tektronix and LeCroy 1GHz Bandwidth MSOs

 

RMS and peak-to-peak noise comparisons of 1-GHz bandwidth MSOs

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Fig: RMS noise comparisons

 

imageFig: Typical Peak to Peak Noise

 

Standard Noise Generator Noisecom NC6110

 

The Noise generator NC6110 generates a steady noise signal output which has a cutoff frequency at 1.5 GHz. The test setup here was meant to measure this noise signal roll off but it turns out that this signal needs a higher bandwidth scope hence I was able to only measure the FFT of the noise output with the RTM 3004 which was in the 1GHz bandwidth range.

 

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Fig: 1.5GHz Noise signal as measured by 8GHz LeCroy

 

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Fig: 1GHz to 1.2 GHz Noise signal as measured by 8GHz LeCroy

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Fig: 1.5GHz Noise signal -3dB roll off as measured by 8GHz LeCroy

 

 

This measurement was done in the flat range across the whole bandwidth of the scope upto 1.1 GHz. The noise signal has a pretty flat rate FFT transform as is confirmed with the above LeCroy scope.

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Fig: The FFT of the Noise signal as measured by RTM 3004 in the flat  Range upto 1.1 GHz

 

 

In conclusion; noise has a significant impact on the horizontal and vertical measurements. The lower the internal oscilloscope noise is the better one can measure the smaller signals.

 

Please continue here to the main blog  Rohde & Schwarz Oscilloscope Kit RTM3K-COM4 - Review

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  • DAB
    DAB over 7 years ago +4
    Nice update. The power of these scopes is truly amazing. Back in my day, we were lucky to have a little S/N advantage on low signals and had to take a long hard look before we could resolve issues. Now…
  • snidhi
    snidhi over 7 years ago in reply to DAB +4
    Thank you for your kind words yes the scope is very powerful indeed. But I had to study a lot of theory in detail and optimize my setup multiple times to do the tests Keep tuned for the upcoming blogs…
  • snidhi
    snidhi over 7 years ago in reply to DAB

    Thank you for your kind words image

    yes the scope is very powerful indeed. But I had to study a lot of theory in detail and optimize my setup multiple times to do the tests

     

    Keep tuned for the upcoming blogs !! image

     

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    DAB over 7 years ago

    Nice update.

     

    The power of these scopes is truly amazing.

    Back in my day, we were lucky to have a little S/N advantage on low signals and had to take a long hard look before we could resolve issues. Now you just push a button.

     

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