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Should you have to pay to opt-in to a RoadTest ?

cstanton
cstanton over 2 years ago

"No"

Is probably what's already on your fingers ready to type in reply, and that's fine.

Each year I took part in "Reddit Secret Santa", where you're matched against another person, who you find information about, and send them a secret santa gift for Christmas.

Someone matches with you, and you hope that they will send you something, after all, they signed up for the Secret Santa.

A few years in a row, I was 'shafted' and wasn't sent anything, sometimes in these cases, you're matched up with a new Secret Santa and then sent something, unfortunately that didn't happen either.

This caused a bit of an uproar in Reddit, while people were happy if they got anything and knew they weren't necessarily entitled to anything, they felt that it wasn't quite in the spirit of things.

So along came the idea of becoming an 'Elf'. You paid $5 to enter the Reddit Secret Santa, and that put you against other people who had also paid $5, the idea being because you'd all invested a base amount in it, you're more inclined to make sure that the person you're matched with will get a present, and you yourself will get a present, and you're supporting Reddit at the same time. Everyone wins and you're invested in it.

This pretty much worked for Reddit, paying into something seems to 'click' with people that you want to be with others, so you're paying the 'premium' to get into that rather than anyone who can sign up and looking for a freebie without paying it forward. A bit capitalist but some people like to support things.

There are other mechanisms that they use for reputation with Secret Santa, when you successfully enter a Secret Santa you gain a token, you gain another token for sending off your 'Parcel', and you gain another token for marking your parcel as received, and you gain another token when your Secret Santee receives your Parcel. You can then 'spend' these tokens to enter another Reddit Secret Santa. Don't do these? Well, you don't get your tokens. Though even this has mechanisms where "what if you just create another account?" and "how do you get tokens if you want to redeem yourself?" - I'm sure some vetting and mechanism is involved there, too, but ultimately there's also weight to paying to opt-in with like-minded people.

Which puts the thought of "Should you have to pay to opt-in to a RoadTest" ?

We've had members over the years that receive equipment, and they run off with it and don't do a RoadTest. This harms the Community, and it harms the suppliers when they provide the hardware (especially if it's early access hardware).

How would this work? I'm not entirely sure.

Would you have to pay-in to apply to the RoadTest?

Would you only pay-in when you're chosen to write the RoadTest review (so before you receive the hardware), would it be a deposit?

Which is reimbursed when you've wrote the RoadTest Review? (I think I'd prefer the deposit idea out of any of these).

Would we only do this for RoadTest kit over a certain value?

We have no plans whatsoever at implementing anything like this, this's the first time I've brought it up to anyone (including to the Community team itself), it's simply a thought passing my mind. We also don't intend on implementing this from any outcome of this conversation - though if I could at least do the 'token/points' system, I'd consider that, handling money is dangerous, but accountability matters.

But perhaps a bit of reflection on the fact that we don't do this will give some people who consider a RoadTest pause for thought.

Thanks to all members of the Community that enters a RoadTest and writes your RoadTest reviews, and those who keep applying for a RoadTest even if you aren't chosen for that particular item. We appreciate you.

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago +7
    As a RoadTest veteran with 34 completed (and on-time) RoadTests since my first in 2013, I’ll offer my 2c, as the topic of people running away with equipment and/or producing sub-standard reviews seems…
  • rscasny
    rscasny over 2 years ago +7
    This is a great discussion. Thanks all for participating in it. Just to be honest with you: I am not interested (nor anyone on the element14 team) would want pay-up-front roadtests. Such a policy might…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago +5
    I think it might put off a lot of people, especially students and new grads, but still, sometimes raising something like this can make people brainstorm : ) Maybe the issue can be more generalized, into…
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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 2 years ago

    I believe we can best respond to the question when we understand the priorities of the RoadTest program. Without that knowledge the question is just another entrance into the rabbit warren of initiatives to achieve RoadTest Compliance.

    What is RoadTest Compliance? Getting something posted by the due date but lacking substance.

    If members were asked to provide ten priorities for the program, I suspect each list might be different. I suggest if members were given ten priorities of the program and asked to rank them, that ranking would be different also.

    I can recall when RS was revamping the program the application was a priority. The application has gone through a number of iterations but is still at the core of the program. The application is the investment a candidate makes to enter the program. There is you dollar down to participate.

    I get annoyed when an applicant says, Now that I have been awarded the RoadTest, what would you like me to do? Hey wait a minute. What did you pitch in your application?

    The goal for any RoadTest is defined in the application. I have worked on RoadTest where I have little resources to complete the task and receive poor vendor support. I have also participated in RoadTest where the vendor has invested in me to enhance their return. One of the scenarios it is easy to deliver on the application and the other not so much.

    How do we ensure the candidate delivers on the application? 100% delivery for every application is the ideal. What delivery is acceptable and what will it costs to achieve that acceptability?

    A RoadTest escrow has some advantages and disadvantages. How much it will improve delivery on the application and at what cost is undefined. If creating opportunities for engaging members is a priority of the program. Escrow can create a burden.

    I confess I am critical of vendor support for a RoadTest. Obsolete links, no documentation and no inquiry response can be disheartening. I hold one understanding. I work for RS when I undertake a RoadTest. If there is a risk on my application deliverables he is the first to know. If I have exhausted support resources (that includes posting to the E14 Community of struggles) he get the details. I would rather tell him than have him find out. One is proactive and the other is reactive.

    Since RS understands the priorities of the program I have to accept approach of continuing to invest in the application provides the best returns.

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    colporteur over 2 years ago

    I believe we can best respond to the question when we understand the priorities of the RoadTest program. Without that knowledge the question is just another entrance into the rabbit warren of initiatives to achieve RoadTest Compliance.

    What is RoadTest Compliance? Getting something posted by the due date but lacking substance.

    If members were asked to provide ten priorities for the program, I suspect each list might be different. I suggest if members were given ten priorities of the program and asked to rank them, that ranking would be different also.

    I can recall when RS was revamping the program the application was a priority. The application has gone through a number of iterations but is still at the core of the program. The application is the investment a candidate makes to enter the program. There is you dollar down to participate.

    I get annoyed when an applicant says, Now that I have been awarded the RoadTest, what would you like me to do? Hey wait a minute. What did you pitch in your application?

    The goal for any RoadTest is defined in the application. I have worked on RoadTest where I have little resources to complete the task and receive poor vendor support. I have also participated in RoadTest where the vendor has invested in me to enhance their return. One of the scenarios it is easy to deliver on the application and the other not so much.

    How do we ensure the candidate delivers on the application? 100% delivery for every application is the ideal. What delivery is acceptable and what will it costs to achieve that acceptability?

    A RoadTest escrow has some advantages and disadvantages. How much it will improve delivery on the application and at what cost is undefined. If creating opportunities for engaging members is a priority of the program. Escrow can create a burden.

    I confess I am critical of vendor support for a RoadTest. Obsolete links, no documentation and no inquiry response can be disheartening. I hold one understanding. I work for RS when I undertake a RoadTest. If there is a risk on my application deliverables he is the first to know. If I have exhausted support resources (that includes posting to the E14 Community of struggles) he get the details. I would rather tell him than have him find out. One is proactive and the other is reactive.

    Since RS understands the priorities of the program I have to accept approach of continuing to invest in the application provides the best returns.

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