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Ender 3 Pro continual issues after initial successful prints - Updated

opalko
opalko over 2 years ago

Hi folks, I have an Ender 3 Pro that I bought about a month ago. Stock machine. I have successfully printed using PLA and PETG filament initially.  I am using stock settings for PLA and PETG in Cura on a Linux machine for slicing.

The last thing I printed was a case, in PLA, for a transistor tester, one of those cheapee ones that work well. The outside of the case printed fine but the screw holders on the inside were a loose nest of filament that had no cohesion. They would just snap off with the touch of the finger. It would never hold screws.  So I tried printing the lower half again. This time the bottom layer did not even go down well. Tried again. This time even worse!

Ok after consulting different forums, I was first told my extrusion temp was too low - stock Cura setting is 200. I bumped it 210. Nope. Then I was told to clean the extruder nozzle, which I did. Nope. Then I was told to check the z step. So I went through the process of calculating that and adjusted it. No difference.

At this point I started over. I

- leveled bed again (still didn't work)

- cleaned nozzle again (still didn't work)

- tried different extraction settings (on/off, speed etc) (still didn't work)

Today I went back to the default settings and tried printing it one more time (and then a second and third attempt..). Now the skirt won't even lay down properly. Any guidance for what is going on or where to start (again) with this? I keep the PLA and PETG in the foil pouches they came in with dessicant but I don't have a dryer or use the oven before printing.

Here is a link to the photo album of first good prints and then the degradation over time to the last picture which is from today of the bottom of the tester case I am trying to print again.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PmBKJQojMPebxnpJ8

Thanks

Robert Opalko

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 2 years ago +4
    Hi Robert, I look forward to learning what is causing this.
  • milosrasic98
    milosrasic98 over 2 years ago +4
    Hi! I had a similar issue where the printer just started under extruding, I've tried cleaning the nozzle, bumping up the temperature, switching the nozzle, but nothing helped. As I was trying to fix it…
  • ntewinkel
    ntewinkel over 2 years ago +3
    I had the same issues. For me it was the extruder arm that got a crack in it that you can only see after you take it off. Buying a metal extruder fixed all the issues. i think I’m using the correct name…
  • opalko
    opalko over 2 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Well I was really hoping that was the ticket, but.. I did remove it per your first post and couldn't find a crack anywhere, and i looked at it under a pretty decent magnifier. I will post pictures of it and successive failed prints tomorrow.

    What is odd, especially after reading the other thread here about an Ender, is mine worked beautifully on the first print - really. Also on the 2nd, 3rd, and maybe 5 or 6 more after those.

    Is it possible the filament, which is only 3 weeks old and i keep in a foil pouch with dessicant, has too much moisture? I'm grasping at straws now.

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  • ntewinkel
    ntewinkel over 2 years ago in reply to opalko
    opalko said:
    I did remove it per your first post and couldn't find a crack anywhere

    My cracked extruder arm was pretty obvious, so I'm guessing you're probably ok.

    Mine also printed well the first half a dozen prints before that issue. It's printing well again now that I upgraded to the metal extruder and popped on a new nozzle.

    The other other thing I've seen mentioned by some YouTubers is that the hot end can break. I'm not sure what the symptoms of that would be though, or how to verify if that's the problem.

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  • opalko
    opalko over 2 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    I meant to ask, where did youvfind the metal arm etc?

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  • ntewinkel
    ntewinkel over 2 years ago in reply to opalko
    opalko said:
    I meant to ask, where did youvfind the metal arm etc?

    Amazon Slight smile

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  • ntewinkel
    ntewinkel over 2 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    it was about $30 (Canadian) total for the metal extruder and a set of nozzles. each was about half of the cost. I think you can get smaller nozzle sets for less.

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  • opalko
    opalko over 2 years ago

    So I have worked on this a bit more this week with no success.

    As I mentioned in a post above I:

    • re-leveled bed
    • checked extruder arm for cracks (did not see any):

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    • check PTFE tubing (not mangled & no clogs)
    • tried test prints at different temps and print speeds (bad to worse)

    First I tried printing the bottom of the tester case (this one) again at 50% speed.  Initially it started printing beautifully with the bottom layer looking really good. Then as it got to the screw holders and the last bit of the top of the lower case half, the print quality went downhill. This was the result:

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    Then I rechecked bed, clogs,... and started with the 4-column retraction / test print. (This one) and it was a squidgy mess to start. So I tried it at a lower temp (fail), then a lower temp & slower speed (Better! but weird stringing), so then I tried the same temp at 50% speed (big time fail):

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    I think I am going to order an all metal extruder arm set and Capricorn tubing & different nozzle but does anyone think this is the problem? Is it possible the filament (PLA) is collecting too much moisture and causing these things? I store the filament in a foil pouch with desiccant when not in use, so it would have had to really absorb moisture fast to go from printing the bottom of the case pretty darn well to failing by the end.  I'm not quite at the wit's end the other fellow on this forum was with this printer but,.... suggestions?

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  • ntewinkel
    ntewinkel over 2 years ago in reply to opalko

    I don’t think the filament is at fault. I’ve left mine on the printer for weeks and it still prints fine.

    I also don’t think the extruder is the problem, as my prints looked stringy at all heat settings.

    Maybe a new nozzle?

    I’m definitely not an expert, so please do your own extra research, and hopefully others can comment, but my next step would be replacing the hot end assembly. It’s only about $17 CAD for the whole set that includes the nozzle, heater, wires and the tubing. Amazon link: https://a.co/d/f2T1nZy

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  • ntewinkel
    ntewinkel over 2 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    One other thing to try might be to print one of the samples that came with the printer, like the cat. Just in case you suspect the software might be doing something funny.

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  • opalko
    opalko over 2 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Good idea, thanks!

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  • opalko
    opalko over 2 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Well interesting results to report now:


    I tried printing the pre-loaded cat from the disk that came with the printer. The first time I tried to print it, it failed pretty badly but I noticed that the filament on the spool was tight and couldn't come off due to the fact that it was wound under itself. "A-ha!" I thought. It's been starved of filament, so I fixed the filament on the spool where it could unwind freely, (and changed nothing else) and this was the result:

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    As close to perfect as I have seen on this printer. Was it really that simple that all it needed was correcting the over / under knot on the spool? Wait I see the bed temp was only at 45 for this "factory print".  That goes against everything I ever read, but let's try the bottom of the case again at 45...and then again at 60:

    image

    Darn! Recheck bed, recheck for clogs, knots, check my horoscope,...reset the profile in Cura and I got this:

    image

    Not even close (I stopped all of these prints when I realized they weren't going to work) This is just too weird at this point. I wanted to "unslice" the cat model to see what the print settings were, but I learned you can't do that with a .gcode file.  Any other ideas!!?

    PS I found a post on the interweb where someone asked what does the letters on the cat model actually translate to. Someone replied "it translates to: Good luck ever getting this printer to print anything again" Stuck out tongue winking eye

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