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  • Date Created: 22 Aug 2014 7:44 PM Date Created
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A project failure due to technical reasons - a supercapacitor problem

Catwell
Catwell
22 Aug 2014

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Supercaps... 100F is always startling to me.


I cannot go into too much detail as there are IP concerns at stake. This design failure concerns a device for the purpose of....hmm...controlling a sight where customers might come to fill there "something", with uhhhh, a few gallons of "something." Anyway, the predecessors and contemporaries of this device use a rechargeable battery pack to ride out power failures and brown outs. The current, just released, not fully tested version uses supercaps!! in place of rechargeable batteries.  The microcontroller on board needs about 60 seconds of power so that it could perform an orderly shutdown, store transactional data, etc.. Everything squared away and it it's place you see.

 

Failure: The supercapacitors were laid out on the board so that they are permanently in parallel with the microcontroller power bus. Because the supercap never lets the micro fully power down, the micro could never actually power-cycle and restart it's clock. The result is an unresponsive "brick" and from the customer's perspective, a defective/malfunctioning/broken "call it whatever you want, it's not working!" unit. Well, it could power-cycle if you physically unplugged the device from it's 85 to 265 VAC source and wait for the modest current draw from the system to completely drain the charge from those supercapacitors. Unplugging an actual installed unit is not a practical option because units in the field get there power from a conduit.

 

Also, the unit was supposed to be able to perform it's own resets. Besides, periodically having customers unplug their units for 20 minutes at a time is not a solution. The fix for this? I don't know and it's not my job. I just get to hear about the failure from other engineers.

 

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  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 11 years ago +2
    This is an excellent example of why a microcontroller needs a reset pin that actually resets the device. Hard reset. Same as power cycling. Alas, reset is too often left as an afterthought or something…
  • DAB
    DAB over 11 years ago +1
    Looks like a good job for a watchdog timer and programmable dummy load circuit. That or put a couple of pins out to let people test their voltage tolerance while it discharges through your fingers. DA…
  • Catwell
    Catwell over 11 years ago in reply to johnbeetem +1
    Well, the main problem was the supercap. It kept the system powered no matter what happened. That brute force solution turned out not to be the best. So, exploring the whole power system would have been…
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    Former Member over 11 years ago

    I am working on a similar project: A supercapacitor UPS for Raspberry Pi. The supercapacitors are also in parallel with the 5V power rail but can be (and also must be) isolated when charging or discharging. Here is a video showing how it works:

     

    The supercapacitor UPS for Raspberry Pi - YouTube

     

    You can find the project, the circuit diagram and the datasheet here:

     

    www.juice4halt.com

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    Former Member over 11 years ago

    I am working on a similar project: A supercapacitor UPS for Raspberry Pi. The supercapacitors are also in parallel with the 5V power rail but can be (and also must be) isolated when charging or discharging. Here is a video showing how it works:

     

    The supercapacitor UPS for Raspberry Pi - YouTube

     

    You can find the project, the circuit diagram and the datasheet here:

     

    www.juice4halt.com

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