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Want to replace resistors myself, but need an advice

vladnech
vladnech over 5 years ago

Hi guys

 

It has been a long time since I soldered something, but with COVID-19 decided to dust off my knowledge about electronics.

My air-fryer Philips XXL (5 years old) stopped to switched on (after I felt the smell of something burnt out).

I found resistors got burnt - see pictures

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I need your help what Om and W value of those ones?

Looks like they have 4 bands: Orange, Black, Black, Gold, which is 30 Om.

Not sure whether it is correct. Plus, not sure how to find W.

 

Thanks in advance for your help,

Vlad

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago +4
    Hi Vlad, I agree with Jan that the black capacitor near the transformer looks like it has over heated and is probably damaged. If you have a meter it would not hurt to measure the resistance of the heat…
  • dougw
    dougw over 5 years ago +3
    The power rating can usually be deduced from the physical size. These look to be about 1W. but I'm not sure from the picture exactly how big they are. . They don't look burned enough to be smelling burnt…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to vladnech +3
    L1 is an inductor. It indeed looks like there's a blowhole in the IC. For the glue-like compound: has something melted above the IC and dripped down on the IC?
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago

    Are you sure it's those resistors that burned? It's not uncommon for them to discolour if used at their limit.

    Although the right one discoloured a lot image.

     

    What's on top of the IC? Is that glue, grease or damage?

    The black component just below the yellow transfo, is that a capacitor? If yes, it may be dead.

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  • vladnech
    vladnech over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi mate

     

    Thanks for your prompt response.

    I attached additional pictures.

     

    On the top of IC - it is the glue.

    I did make the picture of capacitor.

     

    Thanks,

    Vlad

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to vladnech

    I think the resistors had a hard time but they did not burn. A burned power resistor is powder.

    The capacitor looks bad. Can you please take a photo of the markings. 5 photos from the top is enough image

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago

    Hi Vlad,

     

    I agree with Jan that the black capacitor near the transformer looks like it has over heated and is probably damaged. If you have a meter it would not hurt to measure the resistance of the heat damaged resistors before you try to remove them. I have seen where a color band will change from a color to black when heated to an extreme. Based on the physical size of the resistors relative to the other components my guess would be that they are 1/2 Watt. With the damage to the capacitor and the resistors be aware that they may be symptoms of a failure and not the actual failure itself. There is a reddish brown cylinder on the board near the white relay. I would like to know what the markings on it are. I was trying to imagine what would cause resistors and a capacitor to over heat and what comes to mind is the failure of a rectifier. This would allow AC to be applied to the DC side of the circuit and short out the capacitor which in turn would cause a higher current and over heat the resistors. Of course this is speculation based on insufficient information so it is only one idea. In any case I would look at all the components whether they have visible damage or not before reapplying power.

     

    John

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    jw0752 over 5 years ago

    A couple more things. When you add pictures use this icon from the tool bar and your pictures will show in the text. Also if you can read the markings on the IC it might tell us more about how the circuit is configured and works.image

     

    John

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  • dougw
    dougw over 5 years ago

    The power rating can usually be deduced from the physical size.

    These look to be about 1W. but I'm not sure from the picture exactly how big they are.

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    They don't look burned enough to be smelling burnt - you can take a close sniff to see if they still smell burnt.

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  • hugohu
    hugohu over 5 years ago in reply to dougw

    They actually look closer to 3W ones... I have some 5W ones that seem bulkier than it, but if you go on the safe side maybe just get 5W ones, more pricy but it's better than using a 1/4W.

     

    They also don't look burnt, as you said..

     

    The transformer's plastic looks like it's been a bit melted at one point. Maybe.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to hugohu

    hugohu  wrote:

     

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    The transformer's plastic looks like it's been a bit melted at one point. Maybe.

    A melted transformer looks bad and smells bad. A burned transformer smells burned. This one looks OK. The shrink hasn't discoloured.

     

    There may be a fuse hidden inside the transfo primary windings. A practice some manufacturers do to avoid meltdown of a transfo. That's easily detected with a continuity test.

    In that case, don't fix it. The transfo has heated up beyond reasonable temperature and should not be fixed. That's why the fuse isn't replaceable. You can fix it but you should not.

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  • hugohu
    hugohu over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hmm, my bad.

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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Sounds like a voice of experience.

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