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What is the best choice of LED to build a large (400mm) outdoor 7-segment display?

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line over 4 years ago

Having done a reasonable amount of research (clearly not enough) I'd value some assistance in selecting LEDs to make large 7-segment displays for outdoor use.

The application is for clocks/timers, with a viewing distance of 100m, reasonable viewing angle (ideally two displays at 90 degrees to provide near 180 degree viewing angle), for a product to run from mains (240Vac) or portable (12Vdc). Using two 7-segment characters for each display module.

Can anyone suggest either some suitable 7-segment displays (ready made - I can't find any) or LEDs suitable for making some bespoke displays?

Considerations include:

Brightness: How many lumens/mcd per segment are required for 100m visibility outdoors (full sunlight)?

Forward voltage: I expect to require higher than a 12V supply for the LED segment (daisy chain), using a boost converter to achieve the required voltages from a 12Vdc power source (battery) but it (Vf) needs to be reasonable.

Forward current: anticipate using constant current drivers to drive the LED segments, again needs to be reasonable (1w max).

Cost: each 7-segment display needs to be under £50 if buying and under £25 component cost if building, for the overall product cost to be viable.

Power: a consideration for the batteries - spec is four 7-segment displays (2 modules with 2 characters each) running for 6 hours of operation.

Heat: heat sink / heat management to avoid the LED junctions overheating (eg high power LEDs)

Viewing angles: In theory 90 degrees viewing angle per segment/display but in practice would the LED viewing angle need to be this high to achieve good/acceptable results across 180 degrees with two displays fixed 90 degrees to each other?

Quantity and arrangement of LEDs per segment?

If it helps (not much) a decimal point is not required - just the 7-segment characters.

 

If anyone has experience in this area and can offer some assistance\guidance it would be greatly appreciated.

With so many LEDs to choose from - you could save me a lot of pain and headache. Thanks in advance.

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  • fmilburn
    fmilburn over 4 years ago +4 suggested
    Hello Matthew, Have you looked at using WS2812 strips also sometimes called Neopixels? I have seen several large 7 segment displays made from them - for example these made for a clock. There may be 12…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 4 years ago +4 suggested
    Hi Matthew, Another option maybe worth considering is 'jumbotron' type panels. They are available from Aliexpress for under £25 each (google search for something like 'aliexpress P8 LED panel') and each…
  • fmilburn
    fmilburn over 4 years ago in reply to line +4 suggested
    I think the segments that are lit will be visible if there is sufficient contrast in color and / or brightness compared to the unlit ones. I have some and will try and do an experiment and capture the…
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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 4 years ago

    Another option may be flip-dot displays. Let the daylight do the work.

    https://www.buse.cz/en/components-and-technology/display-components-and-modules/display-flip-dot-and-flip-dot-led

     

    If it needs to be visible at night then there are the flip-dot-led hybrids which are available in strips of  7x 15mm dots:

    https://www.buse.cz/getattachment/Komponenty-a-technologie/Zobrazovaci-prvky-a-moduly/Zobrazovaci-prvky-flip-DOT-a-flip-…

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 4 years ago

    Another option may be flip-dot displays. Let the daylight do the work.

    https://www.buse.cz/en/components-and-technology/display-components-and-modules/display-flip-dot-and-flip-dot-led

     

    If it needs to be visible at night then there are the flip-dot-led hybrids which are available in strips of  7x 15mm dots:

    https://www.buse.cz/getattachment/Komponenty-a-technologie/Zobrazovaci-prvky-a-moduly/Zobrazovaci-prvky-flip-DOT-a-flip-…

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    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    A great suggestion Dave - thanks.

    I had thought about using them.

    I think they are great for scoreboards and they make a great noise as they operate (clicking through) but I'd rather use digital (LEDs) than anything mechanical for this project. It's for outdoors and, long term, I think the mechanical components would be prone to sticking/jamming.

    Thanks for the suggestion.

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