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Miller DX200 welder SEMIKRON SkiiP 33NEC125T2 Power IGBT Module

mb443
mb443 over 3 years ago

imageThe hot topic for those who owns DX200 welder and willing to participate in re-implementing of the original PowerModule on discrete elements.

This is continuation of the discussion and efforts already put into at other forum:  Miller Boost Circuit Board Assembly NO. 200841

This is a restoration project attempt of reproducing using discreet components an obsolete  power module  which SkiiP 33NEC125T2 no longer produced by SEMIKRON.

DISCLAIMER: This is a high voltage project DANGER. Anyone who joins this experimental project need to be aware of high voltage (up to 1000v) and high currents (up to 100A) which is a high risk and requires to be qualified to work with such circuits and can be done only at your own risk.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to mb443 +1
    I am no longer interested working on this project. Seems to me besides two people nobody else step forward. I have specially missed one pin on Schematic design, after I ask you to double check my work…
  • alvideo
    alvideo over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo +1
    I redraw module inside wiring like original, exept i added for all IGBT gate resistors. In wiring connectors names are like in module picture (see below). ` Here some more wiring outside…
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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago

    I do not take credit for someone else's work.

    Here is the assumed topology of the OEM diagram:

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    I am doing in this order:

    Separate Diode Power Bridge Rectifiers from IGBT components to reduce a heat spread.

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    OEM PART IMAGES:

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    Now side by side:

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    Here is someone else's work so I do NOT take credit for reverse engineering ( also this all just assumption based on this diagram )

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    Based on the diagram on the image following components is no longer available for sale:

    Component released on : July 2007

    And last but not leased another member of this forum made a PCB preview ( PCB not complete and needs redesign )

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  • mb443
    mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    it seems the bottom right corner of the original has 4 IGBTs in parallel which are used for PFC, not really critical if higher amps IGBTs used.

    Another thing is I will attempt to measure the threshold value of Vge for main IGBTs. Will publish when I'm done, so we can compare with FGL40N120 on schema above.

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  • alvideo
    alvideo over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    I redraw module inside wiring like original, exept i added for all IGBT gate resistors.   

    In wiring connectors names are like in module picture (see below).   

     

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    Here some more wiring outside module to understanding topology

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    Thank you for sharing information !!!

    Can I ask for detailed information for Gate Voltage Drives? I would need to pick proper Zenner Diode to avoid voltage jump for unrealizable power source.  

    Also keep in mind per your schematic above: Q3 & Q4  also should have 6-9Ohm to gate & should not have floating Gate.

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    Thank you so much for sharing info.

    I have to welder, Miller Maxstar 200 LX and Miller Maxstar 200 SD. LX has a problem with discrete elements, I will share photos of my board and what I fixed, SD has a broken IGBT ( Q4 is shorted , I have cut the wires connected to it, haven't check it yet, waiting for components) 

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  • alvideo
    alvideo over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    This is module wiring, exept added resistors and two zener diodes. Also in wiring missing 3 ph bridge rectifier. In welder is a lot of space to mount serparate bridge on radiator like this 

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    Need more wiring modifications or add/remove components?  Any suggestions?

    If not, time to choose correct and specific ALL IGBT and diodes D1-D4.    

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    Do you have your Brocken / Damaged Module on hand?

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Yes i do

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    IMO, Zenner's should be on all IGBT gates. Also R4 R6 10k 

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Excellent!

    With your approval will be interested to isolate damaged part in Power Module and replaced with external components.

    Also will be nice, If someone has discord channel. 

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    I have enough K25H120J (30pcs),may be we can use it

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    K25H1203 - 30pcs

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    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    K25H1203 - 30pcs

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