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soft start resister value

acdc90
acdc90 over 2 years ago

Hello I am repairing a DELTA VSD (varible speed drive ) 

model ASD-A2-1521-M

that had a dead IGBT module   FP50R06W2E3 

And a melted blob where the soft start resister was 

I think about (15mm long 6mm wide.wire wound)    3 or 4 watt  and 1/2 ohm 

I no this is soft start because there is relay contacts that short out this resister usually seconds after power up

looking at the data sheet for   FP50R06W2E3  this resister is between pins  P and P1

this resister charges 1600uf cap 

from P output from bridge

110v 3 phase input  estimate 275vdc to cap 

My question is to resister  value ?

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  • anniel747
    anniel747 over 2 years ago in reply to robogary +4
    robogary said: Upstream fusing
  • robogary
    robogary over 2 years ago in reply to dougw +2
    ( Im a VFD guy) the pre charge resistor is only in the circuit while the DC bus charges on first power up. Once the DC bus reaches a certain % of target, usually a 230VAC VFD has about a 350V DC bus, 460…
  • robogary
    robogary over 2 years ago in reply to anniel747 +2
    Possibly. Normal failure mode is short, at least for a short time. If stays short too long, either it melts down inside and explodes or the IGBT blows itself open. Upstream fusing is intended to limit…
  • robogary
    0 robogary over 2 years ago

    Pre charge resistor ? 

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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 2 years ago

    I'm not a motor guy so just spitballing...

    I don't know the motor you are using or its power rating, but if you figure out the impedance of the starter winding at the supply frequency, and knowing the capacitance and supply voltage, you figure out the power versus resistance equation for your resistor.

    Alternatively you could figure out how much starting torque you need and try to work back to how much power would be needed  to achieve this.

    Or perhaps you can just guess based on the physical size of the mystery component and the voltage applied. For example if the resistor looks like a 5W size and there is 110Vrms applied and the start winding is taking equal power to the resistor, you might come up with 600 ohms. The numbers and ratios I used are completely fictitious since I don't know any of them, but it just provides some sort of practical method to improve your guesswork.

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  • acdc90
    0 acdc90 over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    Hello please ignore the fact that it  is a motor drive 

    just  the value of resister  for charging 1600uf cap from estimate 275vdc

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  • robogary
    0 robogary over 2 years ago in reply to acdc90

    Did you ask Delta ? 

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    0 robogary over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    ( Im a VFD guy)   the pre charge resistor is only in the circuit while the DC bus charges on first power up. Once the DC bus reaches a certain % of target, usually a 230VAC VFD has about a 350V DC bus, 460 Vac drive is about 735 Vdc, the precharge resistor gets bypassed. Its a simple RC circuit with the resistor watts sized for that operation. Sometimes those resistors are mounted on a heatsink. The resistor size depends on the short term watts, and the instantaneous amps. The cap is a short when totally discharged so the instantaneous amps it sees is dependent on upstream AC impedance. Some resistors are good with high instantaneous current, others are not. Wirewound resistors act like chokes. usually lower inductance resistors are used. Resistor ohms are sized to be the current limiter for the caps.  The watts are based on several seconds , repeated only xx times an hour.  

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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 2 years ago in reply to robogary

    So a burnt resistor could indicate too many motor starts in a short time period?

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    0 acdc90 over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    as i said at the start  this had a dead IGBT module 

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    0 robogary over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    one possible failure mode. Powering up with a shorted H bridge is another likely failure mode for a precharge resistor.  :-)  

    ASD-A2-1521-M is a 220V servo drive , 8 amps out , 1500 Watts about 2HP.

     I'm sorta amused the question asked about resistor value, but stated it is .5 ohms  3 or 4 watts. 

     

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    0 acdc90 over 2 years ago in reply to acdc90

    this unit does have 400v  caps . so maybe it is 350v 

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    0 kmikemoo over 2 years ago in reply to acdc90

    The caps will be rated for v-peak, not v-rms.  That's what I've seen the DC buss charge to (+/-).

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