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Any interest in collaborating on a parasitic inductance power supply? It could be used to power small LV projects like IoT nodes and microcontrollers...

PPE_COOP
PPE_COOP over 1 year ago

I have been thinking about a design for this for some time. Mostly to help with another project im working on but I thought other people may be interested in the possibilities also. I have already filed a provisional, please see below. Im possibly looking for help developing the idea into a full product/utility patent. I have one utility patent already and understand the process. The problem is that I am completely self taught and could really benefit from a development partner with better engineering skills than myself. I'm not sure if this is a place to ask for this type of help and I apologize if it's not. Please see the excerpt from the application below.

Parasitic inductance power supply


FIELD OF INVENTION
[0001] The present invention relates to a system and method for providing
low-voltage power to single or multiple devices using inductive coupling, which is
facilitated through the mains power feeders of other apparatuses or equipment.
BACKGROUND
[0002] There is a frequent requirement for extracting power from mains supply to
operate low-voltage devices, such as sensors or communication equipment, which
may be independent or integrated with the mains-powered equipment. The
conventional approach involves direct connections to mains power, necessitating the
use of mains-rated power supplies, fuses and complex power electronics. This
method is often excessive for devices needing only milliampere-level current at very
low voltage. An alternative, more efficient solution is the use of parasitic inductive
coupling, which allows for the extraction of power without physically connecting to
the mains conductors. This method can efficiently power various devices, including
battery chargers, ensuring continuous power supply to low-power equipment, even
when the mains power is switched off.


SUMMARY
[0003] This invention involves a method where a coil of wire is wrapped around an
AC mains power conductor connected to power utilization or generation equipment.
Functioning similarly to a current transformer, the fluctuating magnetic flux from
the mains conductor induces an electrical potential in the coil. This induced voltage
is then modified and regulated through electronic circuitry, enabling it to power
small, low-voltage loads. This method effectively eliminates the need for direct
electrical connections to the mains conductors, offering a simpler and less intrusive
power supply solution for low-power devices.

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 1 year ago in reply to PPE_COOP +3
    Perhaps you need to read what I wrote again because you missed the most critical part. Fundamentally, wrapping a coil around an AC mains cable is pointless unless you separate the conductors. Which…
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    anniel747 over 1 year ago +2
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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to javagoza +2
    Just add electronics... TI Designs: TIDA-01385 Energy Harvesting From Current Transformer With Supercapacitor for Fault Indicator Reference Design https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidud59/tidud59.pdf
  • javagoza
    javagoza over 1 year ago

    I don't know if I understood your invention very well but it reminds me a lot of something I studied 40 years ago at university, instrument transformers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_transformer

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  • PPE_COOP
    PPE_COOP over 1 year ago in reply to javagoza

    Yes it is similar to that. The idea is to develop device similar to a CT where the output can be used to power items like a low power battery charger that can then be used to power something like a IoT tnode. My thought is that this could be used to lower the need for such devices to limit their transmissions or enter sleep modes. Picture a commercial rooftop air conditioning unit or a solar inverter that you would like to add some additional telemitry. Instead of just using battery powered nodes you could add this unit to one or more of the mains feeders to pull the small amount of power required for it to operate. It is now difficult to get 3.3VDC milliwatt power from a 480V mains supply without a lot of additional equipment.

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 1 year ago
    PPE_COOP said:
    This invention involves a method where a coil of wire is wrapped around an
    AC mains power conductor connected to power utilization or generation equipment.

    And that's where I lose interest. 

    For anything like this to be effective, you need the AC mains conductors separated. Otherwise, any coil wrapped around both conductors won't have much of a magnetic field. So, now you need a special installation that doesn't use traditional wiring products, a special coil wrapped around a single conductor, and a special device-side coil to couple the device-to-be-powered.

    That's a lot of special stuff, which is not usually associated with the phrase "cost-effective."

    So, let's say you create a magic inductor that works while wrapped around both conductors. Okay. You still have to deploy the coil anywhere you want a device. It seems pretty likely that you'll want as little material between the two (e.g. drywall). At that point, why wouldn't you just have a normal outlet installed?

    Sorry, it sounds like an interesting idea on paper. But I can't see any practical implementation.

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  • PPE_COOP
    PPE_COOP over 1 year ago in reply to baldengineer

    I think you should read it again because what you said reveals an inaccurate understanding of the basic principal. 

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    PPE_COOP over 1 year ago in reply to anniel747

    This would be useful on the power conditioning side of the device. Thanks for sharing! My thought is to possibly use a cap to store and accumulate the power isolated through a bridge rectifier. With the addition of a shunting Mosfet after the rectifier and an additional diode to prevent back flow through the shunt from the cap, the voltage could be held at a reasonable level in the cap prior to regulation for the end use. 

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to javagoza

    Just add electronics...

    TI Designs: TIDA-01385
    Energy Harvesting From Current Transformer With Supercapacitor for Fault Indicator Reference Design

    https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidud59/tidud59.pdf

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    PPE_COOP over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Dam, that's mostly it. Thanks for sharing. Now I need to determine if there are any differences worth exploring... 

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    PPE_COOP over 1 year ago in reply to anniel747

    Check out page 5 of this PDF LOL https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidud59/tidud59.pdf  It's exactly what I was describing to you in my last post. Oh well they beat me to it...

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  • ciorga
    ciorga over 1 year ago

    For the technical part of your application, it looks to me that you may be looking for someone with strong skills in fundamental Physics and strong skills in electrical/electronic engineering.  Can you define the scope of the collaboration?  What is your goal of the collaboration activity?

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