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Help Testing Relay

HBPhillie
HBPhillie over 1 year ago

I would like to replace what I think is a faulty relay on my jacuzzi board... but there are 4 P&B T92S7D12-12 Relays on this board... My question(s)

How do I test these .. the Jacuzzi J330 is powered by 220 VAC.  Do I need to remove them?  

I have some Engineering degrees but not much electronics experience.  I think I see that these are double pole and I might need to power the 'input' side and read the switching sides?  If this sounds like I'm not sure how to do this you're reading correctly.  I've actually already replaced the board but I want to see if I can diagnose the problem with the old one.

Thank you for any help.

Tom

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +2
    https://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=1308242_T92&DocType=DS&DocLang=English You can see from the datasheet these operate from 12 Vdc across the coil. You…
  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie +2
    Try some resistance measurements before removing components (with the card disconnected from power). It may tell you a lot with a lot less work.
  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie +2
    Good plan. Resistance testing on the PCB is usually complicated by the snubber diodes across the coils. I default to the Goesinta/Goesouta test. If the circuit provides power to the relay but the contacts…
  • acdc90
    0 acdc90 over 1 year ago

    Hello, 

    You will need a Ohms meter to measure the contacts and a 12v power supply to power the coil 

    in a spa or similar they have a relay for heater or pump and also 1 in series for protection purpose,

    if the relay has wires to it then you only need to disconnect 1 of the wires to the coil and put the power supply onto relay.

    If  these relays are soldered to a board it makes it awakward as there will be a diode across the coil, so the power supply can only be connected 1 way around 

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    0 dougw over 1 year ago

    https://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=1308242_T92&DocType=DS&DocLang=English

    You can see from the datasheet these operate from 12 Vdc across the coil.

    You can measure the impedance of the coil using the pinout in the datasheet. If it is around 86 ohms, the coil should be okay.

    You can measure the contact impedance, unpowered, the datasheet indicates which contacts are open and which are closed. (Measuring about infinite and zero ohms)

    If you apply 12V across the coil, the relay should click and the contacts should change state (measuring zero and infinite)

    If the card is disconnected from the system you can probably do these tests without removing the relays from the card, It may be worth checking what is connected to the relay on the card to know for sure if they can be tested in-circuit.

    As acdc90  indicated you need to be careful not to apply reverse voltage to the coil since the snubber diode across the coil will conduct in that polarity.

    A photo might help the members provide better advice.

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    0 anniel747 over 1 year ago in reply to dougw
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    0 HBPhillie over 1 year ago

    Update... first thank you. for all the information.  I do have sufficient meters to read resistance, DC, AC etc..  I also think I'm reading that I probably need to remove any relays that I want to test.  So I think I should remove the relay in question, apply 12 VDC to the 'input' pins and insure the switch closes??  I'm pretty sure I'm oversimplify something here.

    But, I've decided this a long term project .. to understand how this work and how to troubleshoot it.  I know how to do. the soldering, I do quite a bit of photo-etch soldering for models.

    Tom

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    0 HBPhillie over 1 year ago in reply to anniel747

    Yes I believe this is correct... if I'm reading the Data Sheet correctly.

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    0 anniel747 over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie
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    0 dougw over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie

    Try some resistance measurements before removing components (with the card disconnected from power). It may tell you a lot with a lot less work.

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    0 kmikemoo over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie

    Good plan.  Resistance testing on the PCB is usually complicated by the snubber diodes across the coils.  I default to the Goesinta/Goesouta test.  If the circuit provides power to the relay but the contacts don't transfer - replace it.

    Goesinta = Goes in to Joy

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