When 36W supply to specification 16W solenoid valve normally open, is there is effect to the solenoid valve?
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When 36W supply to specification 16W solenoid valve normally open, is there is effect to the solenoid valve?
Solenoids are inductors. There is a holding current (power) and inrush current.
The power supply needs to match the required voltage of the solenoid, provide the holding current, and also stay reasonably stiff to maintain voltage during short inrush current.
It depends on the solenoid inrush current whether the 36w power source has enough power to survive turning on. A capacitor across the power supply can help provide extra energy during the inrush when the solenoid is turned on.
Holding current is actually higher than initial current for a solenoid, since the solenoid appears like an inductor. It's not the same as (say) a DC motor, which will have a higher initial (inrush) current (unless it's stalled).
I hadn't thought to deep about this before, but I must agree with shabaz as a solenoid has no way to create a counter electromotive force - which is what creates the current reduction in motors. There is also no inductive reactance since it's DC. There is probably an instant of subtransient reactance during the initial energization but since there is no frequency, it's theoretical at the speed of electrons level.
We may experiencing one of the challenges in our field - language / terms / nomenclature. Solenoids can be the single coil relay thing or they can be the pull-in coil / holding coil variant. Sometimes the latter solenoids have 3 wires. These may or may not have internal contacts to drop out the pull-in coil. The 2-wire variant will always have contacts to disconnect the pull-in coil at the end of travel for the solenoid. The pull-in coil is used to overcome the Law of Inertia and will definitely burn up if left energized - because it has low resistance. Magnetism in this case is all about Amp-turns with an emphasis on the amps. We get the high impulse to move the armature but we don't need that much energy to keep it centered in the holding coil. The holding coil is also about amp-turns but the emphasis is on the turns; thinner wire, more turns, higher - current limiting - resistance.
SO... solenoids can appear to have inrush - but they don't.
Agree, hard to see how that condition could be defined as inrush, (e.g. it would be called a stalled condition for a DC motor, don't know what one would call it for an AC solenoid!). Also reminds me of an old discussion (with a blog from John Wiltrout from memory) where it was discovered that impedance could be lowered in some conditions (depending on the particular metal, and the AC frequency). Granted it's more likely to be 50/60Hz here.
They do create counter EMF each time they move.
This is my solenoid valve voltage rating
your valve works with 230V AC, it will not work (to specification, if at all) with a 24V power supply
And you could make yourself a science experiment to see why this is the case. Get an electromagnet (any electromagnet, could be a relay coil, or a spool of wire) and by applying different voltages, try to approximately see what difference in force you're seeing. Try half the voltage, then a quarter of the voltage, and then a tenth of the voltage. What you'll observe will make it very clear.
shabaz to be clear can you emphasize me the causes of solenoid valve not function when testing? Can you advise me the solution to these problems/causes?
The electronic portion (assuming it is a solenoid version and not a motor) is just a coil of wire, so ordinarily that could outlast a lifetime, although the winding can get damaged. You can do a very basic, very partial test by checking with a multimeter to see if it has gone open circuit. Other than that, the item is mechanical, so there can be plenty of mechanical problems (accidentally knocked plunger, stuck plunger due to dirt, etc.
Since it is a gas safety valve, it's best to replace it with a new modern one. Otherwise, if it ever fails and there is damage or someone is injured, the person that repaired and re-installed it will be the one that will be imprisoned.
Obviously that's an expensive part, but if you're just looking to experiment with a solenoid valve (and don't intend to install it in it's normally intended application) you can get plenty of small low-voltage (e.g. 24V) devices for very little cost.
Is it possible to fix and repair the plunger that being dirty or rusting? Because when there have gone open circuit, the voltage and Amp is enough, and have supplied but the solenoid valve cant trigger to close valve.
Personally I think no, it should be thrown away in a condition that no-one repairs it. I know there's a strong desire to repair and re-use, but in a critical application the $100 is not worth the risk to lives (and there would be a high risk). Everyone knows of gas explosion stories in their own towns or neighbourhoods, so it's not rare for things to go badly wrong. This would increase the risk a lot.
Personally I think no, it should be thrown away in a condition that no-one repairs it. I know there's a strong desire to repair and re-use, but in a critical application the $100 is not worth the risk to lives (and there would be a high risk). Everyone knows of gas explosion stories in their own towns or neighbourhoods, so it's not rare for things to go badly wrong. This would increase the risk a lot.
Our solenoid valve rating voltage and power is specification 24VDC and 18W. The solenoid valve(normally open) we tested was supply with 24VDC, after connect with the coil, the voltage was drop to 7VDC. Why this happen and what is advise to these problem? Is this power source need to continuously supply 24VDC into the solenoid valve?
Afiq You have overloaded your 24V power source. The solenoid that you have provided a picture of, as Anthocyanina stated, is made to be powered with 230V AC. Using a lower voltage source will not provide sufficient power to create the magnetism required to move the plunger. Also, if the coil is made for AC and not DC, putting DC into it will also not provide sufficient power to create the magnetism required to move the plunger.
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Alright. Well note kmikemoo . I get your point.
This is voltage before attach the solenoid valve coil.
This is voltage after attach the solenoid valve coil
During this situation, the Solenoid Valve can't be close. So what is the issue?
the issue is that you are using 10% of the rated voltage of the solenoid. the voltage drops because the solenoid is a very big load for your power supply because it is specified to work with 10 times the voltage you are using
So, we need at least 230V to trigger the solenoid valve, and the load for power supply also specified with 230V?
It really sounds like you should get a qualified electrician involved to look at the whole thing, not just the solenoid. If you can’t grasp that 230v is required to drive it in spite of the label you really ought not to be working with that voltage level. It can kill you as quick as, or anyone who looks at it in future if it isn’t installed properly.
I see, well noted. about the solenoid valve when it comes to trigger the signal we have test by using our own converter and it can function to trigger. But when use the power source the valve not function to trigger close. Can use advise how the best way to troubleshoot this issue?