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UKCA (or CE) marking required for LED ceiling lamps?

Andrew J
Andrew J 11 months ago

One for the sparkys here in the UK: does an LED ceiling lamp sold in the UK market require a UKCA (or CE) marking?  Any other marking to show regulatory compliance, if necessary?

I ask, because I have received a LED ceiling lamp that has 7 arms with LEDs in a round metal holder at the ends.  It is intended for direct connection to the 240V lighting circuit with the full voltage going to each metal holder at the end of the arms (no earthing point in those metal holders.)

The ceiling rose is also metal, has no earthing point, has 30AWG (or close) out to the LED holders intended to be connected to supplied (but not fitted) slightly thicker wires which then need to be connected to the lighting circuit.  Frankly, it looks dangerous to me and I'm not installing it; really I ought to have known better but there you go, impulse purchase.

I'm going to push for money back and wanted to know if a lack of regulatory marking was something I could add to the evidence.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps 11 months ago in reply to Andrew J +4
    Offer it to the altar of the god of unsafe UK appliances: https://www.bigclive.com/
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps 11 months ago +2
    Not going to comment on UK standards, but on the safety and grounding expectations: Does it have this symbol for double isolation on it? That would define that it's supposed to be wired without ground…
  • Andrew J
    Andrew J 11 months ago in reply to Jan Cumps +2
    If they don't send me a return label perhaps I will
  • Jan Cumps
    0 Jan Cumps 11 months ago

    Not going to comment on UK standards, but on the safety and grounding expectations:

    Does it have this symbol for double isolation on it?

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    That would define that it's supposed to be wired without ground.

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    0 Andrew J 11 months ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    No, no markings.  I know to look out for that one.  It really is as cheap and nasty as I describe it.  I dug deep into the bowels of UK legislation and it seems pretty clear that anything above 50V AC has regulatory compliance requirements: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-equipment-safety-regulations-2016/electrical-equipment-safety-regulations-2016-great-britain

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  • Jan Cumps
    0 Jan Cumps 11 months ago in reply to Andrew J

    Offer it to the altar of the god of unsafe UK appliances: https://www.bigclive.com/

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    0 Andrew J 11 months ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    If they don't send me a return label perhaps I will Grinning

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    0 beacon_dave 11 months ago in reply to Andrew J
    Andrew J said:
    It really is as cheap and nasty as I describe it.

    Perhaps time for sharing some photos ?

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    0 Andrew J 11 months ago in reply to beacon_dave

    I will if they don't ask for it back.  I don't want to unpack it again and risk something breaking.

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz 11 months ago

    I've not been following the latest, but I think UKCA might be (or becoming) unessential now, provided the CE mark is there. All a mess. But for sure there should be either CE or UKCA on it, if not both. But I don't have a reference you could point them to : (

    We use 5-arm ceiling fixtures, but went with retro-fit, i.e. each stem has an Edison E14 socket on the fixture.

    Now big problem with that, is that the LED bulbs with E14, are not as good as LED bulbs with E27. Simply because there's more space for electronics+cooling with E27.

    But the traditional multi-arm fixtures are more commonly E14. The solution there was to insert in E27-to-E14 adapters. They don't look too bad, although obviously the bulb will protrude from the fixture slightly.

    The adapters that we used came from cp-lighting.co.uk (they seem reasonable, nothing spectacular).

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    EDIT: Hm, those adapters are out of stock. But I'm sure there must be other manufacturers of those. 

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz 11 months ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hehe that would be worth watching! BC is awesome. His was probably the first electronics website I ever saw. 

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    0 Andrew J 11 months ago in reply to shabaz

    They’ve used SMD LEDs.  By popular demand, here’s a couple of photos.  I would have to find a safe way to connect those tiny wires to mains circuit wires - there’s a small number of those dunce cap type connectors included and presumably I’m supposed to connect 7 pairs of these to mains wiring in one cap.  The chips are unmarked and there are no parts on the back of that card.  I don’t trust any of this to stick it on a downstairs ceiling underneath our bedroom.  To be fair, I wouldn’t put it up anywhere.

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    0 kmikemoo 11 months ago in reply to Andrew J

    shabaz This is where the ferules you used in your roadtest of the Knipex crimpers and Wago connectors really shine.  That 0.25mm wire is just too tiny for my chubby fingers. Laughing

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