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  • Author Author: Jan Cumps
  • Date Created: 26 Sep 2020 9:44 PM Date Created
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Measure Unknown Inductor Value with Function Generator and Oscilloscope

Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps
26 Sep 2020

There are affordable switch mode DC converters available.

One that you see often is this Benq 12 V to 5V converter.

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I can find info on all components, except the inductor. And I don't have an inductance meter.

There are several other ways to measure inductance. In this exercise I'm using the method with triangle waveform as described on meettechniek.info.

 

Ingredients:

  • the inductor, desoldered
  • a function generator with triangle waveform option
  • an oscilloscope

 

The setup is straightforward.

Set the generator to 50 Ohm and tune it in to a reasonable frequency. I set it at 10 kHz (my inductor is made for the kHz range).

Put the output over the inductor, and the oscilloscope probes.

Then push the voltage of the generator as high as possible, while the waveform doesn't start to show saturation. See the yellow waveform below for an impression.

Then change the frequency so that the voltage drops as low as your oscilloscope can deal with. In my case, I turned it down to 5 kHz.

 

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Then start measuring.

VR: delta of the ramp. I used the delta of horizontal cursors for that: 32 mV

VL: between 0 and halfway the ramp: 95.5 mV.

t: time of the ramp. I used the delta of the vertical cursor for that (and it's half the time of one cycle too): 100 µs.

Ri: impedance of the generator. We had set it to 50 Ohm.

Vg: peak-to-peak output of the generator. Unplug the inductor and measure it with the oscilloscope: 8.16 V.

(I also captured it with the white REF signal but note that it's not at the right horizontal location. The peaks should be at the same spot as the peaks in the yellow trace)

 

... and Calculate the Inductance

(the formula images are from the meettechniek.info site)

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= 8.16 V / 50 Ohm = 0.16 A

 

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= 0.095 V * (100 µs / 0.16 A)

= 0.0000594 H = 59 µH

In the common inductor tolerance series, that would most likely be a 68 µH one.

 

 

Validate with the Switch Mode IC specs

Let's check this off with the specs of the LM2576 5V IC that's used in this circuit.

The PCB has an input spec of 12 V. It claims to switch up to 3 A (I found one website that indicated this - most don't claim current).

On the Inductor Select graph, this brings us here:

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image source: TI LM2576 datasheet

 

That is a match: 68 µH. The expected inductor is used on the PCB.

And the triangle waveform method turned out to be a valid way to get at the inductance of a coil.

 

The whole circuit is exactly the typical application schematic from TI, adjusted for the 12 V input and 3 A output.

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image source: TI LM2576 datasheet

 

Input and output caps are 220 µF.

The Schottky diode is a On Semiconductor SS34.

 

Link to other magnetics related posts.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to shabaz +6
    You are right . I have a known inductor from Velleman, the 50L1, a 50 µH at 1 A, 64 µH at 0 A inductor that has practically the same kernel dimensions, and 41 turns. source: velleman The one one I reviewed…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago +6
    Hi Jan, I enjoyed your post and it is very timely as I was just playing with a LM2576 T the other day. I have seen the fixed voltage chips and I wanted to see how well the variable voltage variety worked…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +5
    Hi Jan, What's the dimensions of the core? From that, and the number of turns, which looks about 30 in your photo, it is maybe possible to guesstimate the core type too : ) From guessing from the photo…
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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago

    I'll be able to validate this later this week. I ordered an LRC meter.

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    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan,

     

    What's the dimensions of the core? From that, and the number of turns, which looks about 30 in your photo, it is maybe possible to guesstimate the core type too : )

    From guessing from the photo approx dimensions, it may be a 'type 61' ferrite material, which gets into the mid tens of uH ballpark with 30-ish turns at about that size.

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    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Does the Cal button request you to open and short the connections? If so, maybe it's possible to build calibration and test fixtures for this LCR meter (or maybe some are supplied), especially for SMD (but would also suit through-hole).

     

    Yes yes and yes image

     

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    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Ohh that's great! It's awesome that it comes with those ready-made. You're all set for high-quality measurements : )

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    three-phase over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Nice LCR meter, I have the Voltcraft LCR-300, served me pretty well over the years, will be interesting to see how you get on with yours. It does very much look like a clone of an Appa Technology 700 series LCR meter. Appa do make some very good instrumentation in my experience.

     

    Kind regards.

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    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to three-phase

    ... It does very much look like a clone of an Appa Technology 700 series LCR meter. Appa do make some very good instrumentation in my experience....

    Not only the looks are the same. Also the accessories and the specs. edit: it's the Appa 703.

     

    Appa is an interesting company.

    Some instruments seem to be available from them only.

    Others are out there rebranded by 3, 4, 5 other companies. The RLC meter is an example. Same for their (adorable !) pocket multimeter.

    I read on eevblog that Appa is the OEM, not the rebrander. They seem to be the ones that churn out all those nice instruments.

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    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Jan Cumps  wrote:

     

    ... Appa ...for their (adorable !) pocket multimeter.

    This is the meter I'm referring too. Like a pocket calculator, it fits in your shirt pocket.

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    image source: manufacturer website.

     

    kk99 blogged about model 5: Appa iMeter 5.

     

    And this one I got from RS Pro seems to have seen the same designers as the Appa M series:

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    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Jan Cumps  wrote:

     

    ... Appa ...for their (adorable !) pocket multimeter.

    This is the meter I'm referring too. Like a pocket calculator, it fits in your shirt pocket.

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    image source: manufacturer website.

     

    kk99 blogged about model 5: Appa iMeter 5.

     

    And this one I got from RS Pro seems to have seen the same designers as the Appa M series:

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