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Can unharnessed electricity/static affect the environment surrounding the source? If so, can it be managed?

regannh
regannh over 4 years ago

Hello experts, I'm struggling with an issue that's been difficult and puzzling to address; I hope I've come to the right place for help.

 

I live about 20 yards from an AC/Diesel freight train line (2 tracks and a sizable station a 1/2 mile away.) A main arterial river is 100 yards away, and the immediate environment is a flood zone.

I experience strange things in my apartment, and over nearly a year of confusion and occasionally sheer horror, I believe the signs point to electricity and/or static- ionically charged particles(? not sure of the correct terminology here, forgive my ignorance). It has a visual aspect. If I were to describe it, I'd say it *looks like* current, flowing medium that doesn't fall on the visible light spectrum. But, the light that passes through it is refracted; there is clearly a medium involved.

It appears fluid and affects my textiles in a way that they exhibit a fluid-like movement. Also, many of my things, primarily textiles, appear to off-gas... all. the. time. I witnessed a whitish gas vaporize from a sweatshirt once.

When I try to record the activity with my phone, the video looks very grainy, but I can capture my bedding's legitimate movement, for example.

 

I don't own any measurement devices to verify my guess, and I can't think of anyone, or anywhere I could borrow from.

 

Oddly, I've very rarely been shocked, and it seems only to happen while I'm attempting to eliminate it. Hah!

I've sprayed my entire place - everything, with 50/50 water/fabric softener on 2 occasions, and it doesn't seem to alleviate the activity, although it doesn't worsen it either. I tried a humidifier, albeit before I concluded an ionic charge. The occurrences that followed were terrifying - without getting into detail, specifically, the things that got out of hand involved my several indoor plants.

 

As long as my dog (first) and me (2nd) won't be harmed in the short or long term, I suppose it's okay. It's annoying and kind of creepy, though; it weirds me out, and if possible, I'd prefer to accommodate a tactic to resolve this.

 

Knowledgeable friends out there, do you think my suspicions are likely accurate? Can I measure it, and with what tool/meter? What can I do to address and resolve the issue? Are we facing any risk while living in this environment?

 

Please, and thank you tremendously; any contribution is appreciated.

Regan

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 4 years ago +5
    Hi Regan, I can not think of any electric field phenomenon that would do what you describe. I have felt the effect of a static electric fields when removing clothes from the clothes dryer in times of low…
  • dougw
    dougw over 4 years ago +4
    Electric trains may run up to 25KV, but for diesel generator trains and some electric trains it is usually 400V to 3000V. I doubt these systems have high electric fields 20 yards away. To measure the field…
  • dougw
    dougw over 4 years ago in reply to regannh +2
    I am not sure which aspect of the video you are referring to, but the fluctuations I see are due to "noise" in the camera sensor. This "optical noise" is due to thermal stimulation in semiconductor junctions…
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    dougw over 4 years ago

    Electric trains may run up to 25KV, but for diesel generator trains and some electric trains it is usually 400V to 3000V. I doubt these systems have high electric fields 20 yards away. To measure the field you can use a multi field EMF meter such as the Tenmars TM-190 I used in this project.

    Light can be refracted  when there is a change in refractive index. This can be due to layers of air at different densities (different temperatures) or different humidity. The hot air layer near anything hot can cause light passing through it to shimmer as the hot air expands and fluctuates. It normally needs a pretty big temperature difference to cause a noticeable difference, or the light is travelling through a long stretch of it like the roadway mirage example John mentions above.

    I don't know what is going on with your fabrics, but I have seen water evaporate and look like white smoke as it condenses into water vapor almost immediately. In my case the air was cold and the slightly wet surface was warm and the sun was shining on the surface.

    Evaporation would also cause the density to be different locally.

    If humidity is condensing into water vapor, the water (and its different index of refraction) can also refract light, as happens in a rainbow.

    If you are seeing these refraction effects in your room, I would say you are very observant, but these effects won't hurt you or your dog. When you notice it, check for moisture content and temperature differences between materials and air.

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    regannh over 4 years ago in reply to dougw

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    Thank you tremendously, Douglas! This information is extremely helpful. I am relieved to hear it's not likely that my pooch and I will have any health issues from this hullabaloo.  puts my mind at ease. I'm a believer in all things science and I love these hard facts.

     

    It might be interesting to play around with an EMF meter - anywhere in the local area - just for giggles! So, I wouldn't consider a femto-ampere, Coulomb meter, or surface voltmeter to further investigate this - would these tools be irrelevant to the ideas I might further explore (assuming what's happening is physically tangible, not imagined  ♀ )?

     

    As I mentioned to John above, I was confident there was some sub-category of electrokinetic phenomena involved here. Or, perhaps it's leaky electrical somewhere with all the gadgets and electronics we live with these days, because this "refraction" appears around cords, in the tv console (which is backless, so I can see right through it.)

    Your mentioning that temperature and humidity have an impact on the light refraction reminded me that this was more noticeable - seemingly Everywhere - in summer than now; (Wisconsin is home, humidity is non-negotiable!) Come to think of it, it probably has been since the warmer months that I've noticed it to the extent of feeling overwhelmed.

    It does seem to collect or "sit" on surfaces. Actually, underneath surfaces too... around objects, any object, really.  AND - I just looked at my iron door stop which I use to hold my curtain panels in place, and I see this "medium" around it, as well as under my plant stand's tiered tables. Can I show you this "thing" I say is causing the refraction? Would you mind taking a look and let me know your thoughts?

     

    Thank you again, Douglas! Your help is appreciated. If you think of it and have the time, could you take a look at the two, short (1 min) videos I attached to this reply?

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    regannh over 4 years ago in reply to dougw

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    Thank you tremendously, Douglas! This information is extremely helpful. I am relieved to hear it's not likely that my pooch and I will have any health issues from this hullabaloo.  puts my mind at ease. I'm a believer in all things science and I love these hard facts.

     

    It might be interesting to play around with an EMF meter - anywhere in the local area - just for giggles! So, I wouldn't consider a femto-ampere, Coulomb meter, or surface voltmeter to further investigate this - would these tools be irrelevant to the ideas I might further explore (assuming what's happening is physically tangible, not imagined  ♀ )?

     

    As I mentioned to John above, I was confident there was some sub-category of electrokinetic phenomena involved here. Or, perhaps it's leaky electrical somewhere with all the gadgets and electronics we live with these days, because this "refraction" appears around cords, in the tv console (which is backless, so I can see right through it.)

    Your mentioning that temperature and humidity have an impact on the light refraction reminded me that this was more noticeable - seemingly Everywhere - in summer than now; (Wisconsin is home, humidity is non-negotiable!) Come to think of it, it probably has been since the warmer months that I've noticed it to the extent of feeling overwhelmed.

    It does seem to collect or "sit" on surfaces. Actually, underneath surfaces too... around objects, any object, really.  AND - I just looked at my iron door stop which I use to hold my curtain panels in place, and I see this "medium" around it, as well as under my plant stand's tiered tables. Can I show you this "thing" I say is causing the refraction? Would you mind taking a look and let me know your thoughts?

     

    Thank you again, Douglas! Your help is appreciated. If you think of it and have the time, could you take a look at the two, short (1 min) videos I attached to this reply?

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    dougw over 4 years ago in reply to regannh

    I am not sure which aspect of the video you are referring to, but the fluctuations I see are due to "noise" in the camera sensor. This "optical noise" is due to thermal stimulation in semiconductor junctions in the video sensor chip and will appear as random fluctuating patterns. To minimize this internal camera noise, the real signal needs to be increased so the noise is a much smaller part of the total signal. You can do this by illuminating the subject with a lot more light. If the camera sensor is at a very low temperature, the thermal noise will also be reduced, but simply adding more light to the scene is a much easier solution. Some cameras need extremely bright lights or even sunlight to eliminate their internal noise.

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