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Visual Signs of Capacitor Failure - Bulging

Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps over 1 year ago

I received a new TV box from the cable provider They suggested to drop the old one at an electronics recycle collector. That didn't happen Slight smile - I opened it up. I've put the internal hard drive for sale on a 2nd hand site. For the other components, I'm checking what (if anything) is worth keeping.

What caught the attention, is that one of the electrolytical caps is beyond end-of-life. It's definitely bulging: It's the first time that I see one where the symptom is so obvious. I had others that failed or leaked. But never such a visible sign of the internal pressure effects.

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Can you spot the culprit?

Title inspiration: capacitor labs.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +4
    The top isn't flat anymore....
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago +3
    Jan Cumps said: It's definitely bulging: It's the first time that I see one where the symptom is so obvious. I had others that failed or leaked. But never such a visible sign of the internal pressure effects…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett 10 months ago in reply to shabaz +3
    If you want low noise then put some little ceramic caps around the rectifier. Doing so is mentioned in AOE Edition 3 (maybe in the X pages book) and after I read that I measured a design I was working…
  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 1 year ago

    So we can have training aids at work, I have some boards that I have fished out of the recycling bin.  The characteristic failure of the output modules is one or two capacitors just like you show.  I replace them and the boards are good enough for training.  Great job taking a picture that shows the bulge.  That's not as easy as it looks. Slight smileThumbsup

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago
    Jan Cumps said:
    It's definitely bulging: It's the first time that I see one where the symptom is so obvious. I had others that failed or leaked. But never such a visible sign of the internal pressure effects.

    Exact opposite here, I've seen far more signs of bulging than leaking.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago

    The top isn't flat anymore....Relaxed

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  • DAB
    DAB over 1 year ago

    I always find fun in looking inside electronics.

    Yes the bulging top is always a give away.

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    beacon_dave I agree with the bulging more than leaking, but definitely more "no visible indication" than anything else.

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 1 year ago in reply to dougw

    dougw A design feature that actually does what it's supposed to.  Imagine that! JoyLaughing

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago in reply to kmikemoo

    Does anyone know the range of pressures that would cause bulging versus venting in a typical cap?

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  • AndyCalentar
    AndyCalentar over 1 year ago in reply to kmikemoo

    today I learned: they’re supposed to bulge on top!

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  • mhd720
    mhd720 10 months ago

    Very common in consumer electronics such as TVs, stereos, etc, because of limited warranty periods & modular design: if the power supply stage has a faulty cap, just replace the power supply PCB only and you're back in business quickly. On the other hand, I've seen bulging caps operate for quite a long time (perhaps they were oversized to begin with?)

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 10 months ago

    I'd appreciate a design review!

    Scenario is, I need a PSU (500 mA, about 13.7V output after the regulator). This is a one-off project but I won't have access to it so it needs to be reliable. The ambient temperature may reach 40 deg C. The PSU will be switched on and off maybe a couple of times a day. The load may peak to 400 mA, and on average will be 300 mA.

    I'm using a 14V 15VA transformer, operating from 50 Hz mains. (It's a linear PSU, for low noise reasons).

    The capacitors are rated at 100 kHz, so some extrapolation is needed.
    I believe the three electrolytics are selected to operate comfortably well.

    I'm most concerned about whether the 47uF polymer tant is suitable or not. I've never used such a part. The polymer tant is supposed to fail in a benign way compared to normal tantalums, which is good to know, but I still want a reliable design. The TCN.. part is supposedly suitable for 'bulk decoupling of SoC').

    Would you/have you used a polymer tant in a PSU? Recommended or not?
    I've not constructed this, but the PCB is ordered. If I replace the cap, it will ideally need to be a similar footprint (7.3 x 4.3 mm component size). I suppose I could piggy-back a couple of capacitors as long as it also still looks tidy too (this PCB will be visible through vents).

    If it's really not recommended, I could go with this 22 uF ceramic cap, it will fit. Thoughts?

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