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Visual Signs of Capacitor Failure - Bulging

Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps over 1 year ago

I received a new TV box from the cable provider They suggested to drop the old one at an electronics recycle collector. That didn't happen Slight smile - I opened it up. I've put the internal hard drive for sale on a 2nd hand site. For the other components, I'm checking what (if anything) is worth keeping.

What caught the attention, is that one of the electrolytical caps is beyond end-of-life. It's definitely bulging: It's the first time that I see one where the symptom is so obvious. I had others that failed or leaked. But never such a visible sign of the internal pressure effects.

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Can you spot the culprit?

Title inspiration: capacitor labs.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +4
    The top isn't flat anymore....
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago +3
    Jan Cumps said: It's definitely bulging: It's the first time that I see one where the symptom is so obvious. I had others that failed or leaked. But never such a visible sign of the internal pressure effects…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz +3
    If you want low noise then put some little ceramic caps around the rectifier. Doing so is mentioned in AOE Edition 3 (maybe in the X pages book) and after I read that I measured a design I was working…
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  • geralds
    geralds over 1 year ago
    Jan Cumps said:

    Yes. I have seen these low-budget caps many times.

    Such caps were terrible in a project with our customer.
    We had built a communication device with route recording for the ÖBB (Austrian Federal Railway).
    The power supply of this device had an electrolytic capacitor built in that was sensitive to temperature.
    How? What? ----- Well, in the higher regions the ambient temperature can quickly drop very low even in summer.
    One day the customer came with such a defective device.
    I tested it, but at first I couldn't find any fault. - At room temperature in the workshop.
    Then I took a cold spray or a hot soldering iron tip and looked for components to see if they were temperature sensitive.
    Voila, one of these electrolytic capacitors clicked when it cooled down. Its capacity was suddenly only half or it was causing a short circuit.
    I then had to drive across the country and replace these electrolytic capacitors.
    There were about 100s of devices.

    Oh yes... with a capacitor like this it can be quite annoying because you can't see this kind of error from the outside.

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  • geralds
    geralds over 1 year ago
    Jan Cumps said:

    Yes. I have seen these low-budget caps many times.

    Such caps were terrible in a project with our customer.
    We had built a communication device with route recording for the ÖBB (Austrian Federal Railway).
    The power supply of this device had an electrolytic capacitor built in that was sensitive to temperature.
    How? What? ----- Well, in the higher regions the ambient temperature can quickly drop very low even in summer.
    One day the customer came with such a defective device.
    I tested it, but at first I couldn't find any fault. - At room temperature in the workshop.
    Then I took a cold spray or a hot soldering iron tip and looked for components to see if they were temperature sensitive.
    Voila, one of these electrolytic capacitors clicked when it cooled down. Its capacity was suddenly only half or it was causing a short circuit.
    I then had to drive across the country and replace these electrolytic capacitors.
    There were about 100s of devices.

    Oh yes... with a capacitor like this it can be quite annoying because you can't see this kind of error from the outside.

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to geralds

    It's not just low budget caps - time, temperature, volts and ripple current all take their toll.

    This is a pic of the motherboard from an HP59401A (HPIB/GPIB Bus System Analyzer), 1980 - 1990 or so - approx 40 years old.

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    After the cap blew out the owner just left to poor thing to rot in its own juice for some years. I cleaned it up and replaced the cap (temporarily) with a decent (£0.5 part).

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    But the two diodes beside it and some track had suffered badly.  I cleaned it up as best as I could without complete disassembly and replaced the diodes on the other side of the board.

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    The -12V supply is restored.

    But the 59401A still doesn't work, so no point in replacing all the electrolytics with really good ones (£30 or more for the ones on the motherboard), much. much more if I did the solid tantalums as well.

    The problem is that the instrument is two big boards of 74 and 74S series TTL , most obsolete and very expensive to replace. So do I want to spend 100 hours or so on restoring it, or just build a new one using a modern micro and display with much more memory and other nice features ?

    I do want a GPIB analyzer to help use/fix other ancient HP instruments.

    Still thinking about it - but mainly thinking about the new design !

    MK

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 1 year ago in reply to michaelkellett

    If you 'd go the modern way, this kit would still be a good source for some decent voltage references.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Eaton 2075 noise-gain analyzer. Similar vintage... similar problems.

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    Stuff just doesn't last these days... Slight smile

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Those RIFA X caps blow up everywhere !

    I replaced 2 in a Kenwood food processor (age unknown but quite old) the other month.

    MK

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 1 year ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Yes. The housing becomes brittle, and attracts condense. Guaranteed recipe for failure.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to michaelkellett

    There's a new TV show called Retro Electro Workshop and this weeks episode had a Kenwood food mixer smoking : )

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    And it was the same problem!

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    I don't know if the show is good or not; I have not seen any other episode, it was just on in the background, and I watched it for a few mins here and there.

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    That's the very mixer. The RIFA cap at the other end of the board was bulging but hadn't started exuding the brown goo !

    MK

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