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Temperature sensor accuracy

ntewinkel
ntewinkel over 1 year ago

Hi all,

I have two temperature sensors near each other, outside. In the winter I was using one to keep track of the nectar temperature in a hummingbird feeder, but I just left it hanging there for the summer.

Here is the typical result:

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The top line is a dht11 or could be 12. It includes pressure and humidity. The bottom line is a ds18b20 in a metal tube.

Both are digital, but one is nearly always about 1 or 2 degrees higher than the other. Generally it’s fine to give me a close enough idea of what’s going on, but I think I should be more accurate when looking at the freezing point.

Do I need to calibrate them? How would I go about doing that? Ie, what can I trust as a proper baseline? I don’t have access to any really guaranteed kind of thermometer, I think. Thinking 

Thanks in advance for any wisdom you can send my way!

-Nico

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +5 verified
    If they are waterproof you can stick them in a slush of ice and water to get a zero degrees reference. If they aren't waterproof you can put them in a plastic bag in the ice/water mix. If they can take…
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago +5 verified
    Comparing data sheets it looks like the accuracy of the DHT11 is ±2°C whereas the DS18B20 is ±0.5°C It will be interesting to see what your testing shows.
  • wolfgangfriedrich
    wolfgangfriedrich over 1 year ago in reply to dougw +4 verified
    During the ice-water test, you have to be careful not to touch the ice-cubes. They are still colder than zero degC. I learnt this during a thermocouple roadtest.
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  • shabaz
    +1 shabaz over 1 year ago

    Hi Nico,

    If required, these types of boards are quite neat to act as a sort of semi-reference. The accuracy is claimed to be +- 0.1 degrees C within a certain range. I have an older model that claims +- 0.3 degrees C I think.

    They can be accessed via Bluetooth on mobile, and can show historical data as well. Link: https://www.newark.com/sensirion/sht4x-smartgadget/ref-design-board-temp-humidity/dp/74AJ2003 

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    0 ntewinkel over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks for pointing that out, that's really accurate!
    That would solve the problem of which sensor to trust as a baseline.

    A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure Laughing

    I've added it to my wishlist Slight smile

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to ntewinkel
    ntewinkel said:
    that's really accurate!

    Looks like the reference design module uses the SHT40 sensor

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    Looks like the accuracy takes a bit of a deviation at around the freezing point, which you are interested in.

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    For comparison, the performance plot for the DS18B20 sensor

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    0 shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    From the specs the performance is not much better, it's just different, at zero degrees for the sensor. But I think the problem is, without a reference design, the discrepancy will easily exceed those charts (for instance having the sensor powered up will warm it, or if its on a board then other components or drafts will heat or cool it. I observed that with a SHTxx chip too, where my layout was not the same as the reference board, and the measurement was off by more than the datasheet curve (by about 1-2 degrees from memory). The Sensirion board is their reference design, so should be more accurate - hopefully!

    Edit: This was my layout, but it was not fit for purpose, the measurement was off by several degrees. Subsequently I changed the board shape to more closely reflect the reference design, but I've not tried the new layout yet.

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    New layout:

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    0 shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    From the specs the performance is not much better, it's just different, at zero degrees for the sensor. But I think the problem is, without a reference design, the discrepancy will easily exceed those charts (for instance having the sensor powered up will warm it, or if its on a board then other components or drafts will heat or cool it. I observed that with a SHTxx chip too, where my layout was not the same as the reference board, and the measurement was off by more than the datasheet curve (by about 1-2 degrees from memory). The Sensirion board is their reference design, so should be more accurate - hopefully!

    Edit: This was my layout, but it was not fit for purpose, the measurement was off by several degrees. Subsequently I changed the board shape to more closely reflect the reference design, but I've not tried the new layout yet.

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    New layout:

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz
    shabaz said:
    I changed the board shape to more closely reflect the reference design

    A half-way house might be something more like this

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    https://sensirion.com/products/catalog/SHT85

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    0 ntewinkel over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz
    shabaz said:
    for instance having the sensor powered up will warm it, or if its on a board then other components or drafts will heat or cool it.

    It's super windy just now...

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    And the sensors are both reporting a similar temperature now... the light blue line is the DHT sensor that is inside of a 3D printed housing and usually shows a few degrees warmer... maybe I need to rethink that setup!

    I have ice cubes in the freezer that should be ready soon, so I can test the freezing point with both sensors.

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