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Temperature sensor accuracy

ntewinkel
ntewinkel over 1 year ago

Hi all,

I have two temperature sensors near each other, outside. In the winter I was using one to keep track of the nectar temperature in a hummingbird feeder, but I just left it hanging there for the summer.

Here is the typical result:

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The top line is a dht11 or could be 12. It includes pressure and humidity. The bottom line is a ds18b20 in a metal tube.

Both are digital, but one is nearly always about 1 or 2 degrees higher than the other. Generally it’s fine to give me a close enough idea of what’s going on, but I think I should be more accurate when looking at the freezing point.

Do I need to calibrate them? How would I go about doing that? Ie, what can I trust as a proper baseline? I don’t have access to any really guaranteed kind of thermometer, I think. Thinking 

Thanks in advance for any wisdom you can send my way!

-Nico

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +5 verified
    If they are waterproof you can stick them in a slush of ice and water to get a zero degrees reference. If they aren't waterproof you can put them in a plastic bag in the ice/water mix. If they can take…
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago +5 verified
    Comparing data sheets it looks like the accuracy of the DHT11 is ±2°C whereas the DS18B20 is ±0.5°C It will be interesting to see what your testing shows.
  • wolfgangfriedrich
    wolfgangfriedrich over 1 year ago in reply to dougw +4 verified
    During the ice-water test, you have to be careful not to touch the ice-cubes. They are still colder than zero degC. I learnt this during a thermocouple roadtest.
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  • shabaz
    +1 shabaz over 1 year ago

    Hi Nico,

    If required, these types of boards are quite neat to act as a sort of semi-reference. The accuracy is claimed to be +- 0.1 degrees C within a certain range. I have an older model that claims +- 0.3 degrees C I think.

    They can be accessed via Bluetooth on mobile, and can show historical data as well. Link: https://www.newark.com/sensirion/sht4x-smartgadget/ref-design-board-temp-humidity/dp/74AJ2003 

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    0 ntewinkel over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks for pointing that out, that's really accurate!
    That would solve the problem of which sensor to trust as a baseline.

    A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure Laughing

    I've added it to my wishlist Slight smile

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to ntewinkel
    ntewinkel said:
    I guess there’s no avoiding science class if I want to verify it

    Ah, now you are talking...

    Dolbear's law
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolbear%27s_law

    Synthesize a snowy tree cricket chirp to attract snowy tree crickets; then sample their chirp and apply Dolbear's law to get ambient temperature.

    Sorted...

    PS you need to do this before the hummingbird actually eats the 'thermometer cricket'.

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    0 ntewinkel over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz
    shabaz said:
    Also, it's worth maybe not powering the sensor permanently.

    I was thinking about that when in your previous comment you mentioned the sensor warming up...

    shabaz said:
    having the sensor powered up will warm it

    I'm actually not sure how I have that set up right now. The DHT module is also housed in a little case. well-vented but not in the open like the ds18b20 probe.

    I think, for my purposes, if I can at least get the two sensors to somewhat agree, and have them be somewhat accurate as to when I need to worry about things freezing, then that'll have to be good enough. I think aiming for 0.5 degrees will be enough there.

    I'm planning to carve out some project time soon for this. So far this year there have been too many distractions! Looks like I have to replace an axle on an ATV tomorrow.. how did I get suckered into that? Face palm Shrug Laughing

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    0 ntewinkel over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    I think I've heard a few crickets recently... that'll give me a good starting point. easy peasy Laughing

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to ntewinkel
    ntewinkel said:
    I think I've heard a few crickets recently

    I only have grasshoppers here...

    imageimageimage

    ntewinkel said:
    that'll give me a good starting point. easy peasy

    This should get you going

    https://vanhunteradams.com/Pico/Cricket/Crickets.html

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to ntewinkel
    ntewinkel said:
    Looks like I have to replace an axle on an ATV tomorrow.. how did I get suckered into that?

    Has someone been overdoing the rock picking recently perhaps ? 

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    0 ntewinkel over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave
    beacon_dave said:
    Has someone been overdoing the rock picking recently perhaps ? 

    Joy

    Well, I DID overdo it the other day and have been too sore to continue haha ouch oops. But this is for the in-laws. We don't even own an ATV!!

    Yesterday I was trying to bleed the brakes on his old truck (yeah I don't even do mechanics on my own vehicles anymore Thinking ), but all the bleeders are rusted in place except one. But it's a bit better. We noticed they were bad when we borrowed the truck a few days ago. Several months ago a brake line broke, so they replaced it and then never bled the air out!! I can't believe they left it like that! We told him to take it to the shop to get the bleeders replaced and get them to flush the fluid at the same time, so that's happening next week.

    Seems as they get older (he's 84 now), they don't want to admit they can't do all the things they did when they were young, so they "start" the project and then "ask for help" which pretty much means we have to do it. We're slowly trying to get them to just take it to the professionals, but ugh, we often still get drawn into it.

    I don't mind the occasional bit of tooling, and I guess it's a good skill to keep up Shrug

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  • kmikemoo
    0 kmikemoo over 1 year ago in reply to ntewinkel

    I just hope I make it to 84. Laughing  If I can do anything then, I'll feel victorious!

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    0 ntewinkel over 1 year ago in reply to kmikemoo

    Laughing yep me too, and I hope I also have the kind of energy they have!

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to kmikemoo

    Project 14 theme - 'Help the Aged'  Slight smile

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Perhaps that's because they keep delegating the heavy tasks to others Slight smile

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Perhaps that's because they keep delegating the heavy tasks to others Slight smile

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