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Multimeter question

awinning
awinning over 15 years ago
I just received this enquiry through the Technology First Journal. Anyone have any Idea?
Can you advise us a multimeter measuring principle, i.c. concrete available instruments, which can measure a diverse successive pulse shaped DC current, provided the pattern is consistently repeating. Repeating frequency is rather low e.g. 2,5 times per second so an adjustable damping of the indication would be nice.
The instrument must indicate the proper averaged value of the current in a range of up to about 250 mA.
What we are actually looking for is an electronic multimeter equivalent of the original moving coil meter who principally integrates a current, also when the current has a complex fluctuating pattern, provided the pattern is repeating.
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  • dsohal
    dsohal over 15 years ago

    Hi,

       Thank you for your question regarding Multimeter,it was not straight forward answer, I need some help from our supplier and they have suggested bench multimeter as shown below.

    "Depending on what result you are  looking for I would suggest different DMMs.
    If you just want to digitize the signal both the  34401A34401A and 34410/11A are more than capable
    If you want the AC RMS value you will need to bump up to the 3458A since this is such a low frequency signal The  34401A34401A and 34410/11A are only specified down to 3Hz
    Farnell order code for Agilent  34401A34401A is o/c 1335866,Agilent  34410A34410A is o/c 144-0376 and Agilent 34411A.34411A. our o/c 144-0377.
    Please find our attached web link for those products.
    http://uk.farnell.com/agilent-technologies/34401a/multimeter-bench-6-5-digit/dp/1335866?Ntt=1335866
    http://uk.farnell.com/agilent-technologies/34410a/multimeter-bench-61-2-digit/dp/1440376?Ntt=1440376
    Do not hesitate to contact me, if you have any further question regarding this enquiry.
    Thank you,
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  • Technocrat
    Technocrat over 15 years ago

    This is an interesting question, but I have to admit I am not sure I fully understand what a 'diverse successive  pulse shaped DC current' is exactly. I am scared to even take a punt on this, in case I get made to look a fool, but in the interest of collaboration I'll take a stab.

     

    I think (I am going to make a lot of assumptions here) that a 'diverse successive  pulse shaped DC current' could be interpreted to be some sort of PWM signal. The signal modulation is occurring in some kind of repetitive pattern at 2-5Hz. maybe for example this is a test for a PWM dimmer being swept from lowest to highest setting repetitively (or something like that, but I could be way off base here). If this is the case, I think I would probably abandoned all hope of using a DMM and go for a scope with current probe. A good DSO should be able to integrate the measured current between the cursors, or you could extract the data and do the analysis offline. Admittedly a scope is not as accurate as a DMM, but I don't know what kind of accuracy is required, but as it's repetitive, you should be able to get some back by averaging successive captures.

     

    Interestingly I took a look at the  34401A34401A also it's my fall back DMM of choice and what I did wonder was if increasing the integration time on a DC current measurement to 100 power line cycles might work as a fudge to get a reasonably accurate measurement but really I have no idea what this signal really looks like May its it just a 2-5Hz square wave

     

    Ok, that's my thinking at the moment, but I'll keep musing over it. Would be nice if there was some more info available on the signal of interest and accuracy requirements, what's being driven etc.

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    dsohal over 15 years ago in reply to Technocrat

    Hi,

        I received reply from Our supplier, please if you can supply following information, which will help us to suggest right instrument.

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    We really need for the customer  to summarise what is the requires.
    Are those dc/ac current pulses?
    I am looking forward to your reply.
    Thank you,
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    Technocrat over 15 years ago in reply to dsohal

    It does say DC Current in the original question, so assumed it is DC.

     

    I'd be more interested to know exactly what diverse successive  pulse shaped DC current means (hopefully a sketch of what the signal looks like) if I was your supplier, and what measurment accuracy is required.

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  • edmund
    edmund over 15 years ago in reply to Technocrat

    Dear All,

     

    my 2 cents thoughts

     

    We can breakdown into 3 simple parts

     

    image

    diverse => Different kinds, behavior

    successive => repeatitive

    pulse shaped DC current => As the name per says

     

     

    Below is an example (correct me if I am wrong) . I guess customer might be using this kind of pulses for some form of electrotherapy experiment.

    image

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  • Technocrat
    Technocrat over 15 years ago in reply to edmund

    Hi Edmund,

     

    You could be right.

     

    I was thinking it might be more along the lines of the below. For example if you program a pattern in to a pulse pattern generator say 110011101001111010 and then have it repeat at 2 to 5 Hz, I would think this could be described as a diverse (it's changing), successive (on each pulse) and shaped DC current. However I think that your example and mine prove a point, who knows exactly what's going on here, it's open to interpretation, and until there is more detail, it's difficult to advise one way or the other, as there could potentially be high frequency components in the signal which certain measurement solutions would filter out and therefore not take account of in any subsequent measurement.

     

    image

    (note: the red lines just indicate the start and stop of repeating pattern).

     

    Hopefully the original poster will reply with some more info, if not, I don't think there much else I can add, so I'll get back to my real work

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  • dsohal
    dsohal over 15 years ago in reply to Technocrat

    Hello,

            Thank you all for your help,it is very challenging , very interesting situation, but Agilent is trying to help us with this inquiry and I can give you Agilent contact details, if you can contact Agilent direct, they are willing to help you.

    Technical Support
    Agilent Technologies
    01189 276201
    contactcenter_uk@agilent.com
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