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Cheap XR2206 Function Generator Overheating...

kas.lewis
kas.lewis over 8 years ago

Hello All,

 

I've been working to learn more about analog circuitry, for this purpose I decided I would try a XR2206 bases function generator cheap yes, but hopefully a place to start. When I first received the unit I tested it (can't give a positive rating on eBay unless it works) and I was able to see the three waveforms. They had soem jitter and other issues but overall it worked.

 

Today I decided to get start really working with it and noticed that the XR2206 IC started to get very warm. As I was not 100% I had connected it the right way, I tried connecting it in reverse (probably not the smartest idea thinking back). The IC was still getting pretty warm and this was not even with the voltage at the recommended level (using 5V instead of 9V, I always start from zero and turn up the supply). I then disconnected the GND from the oscilloscope and the IC started to cool off, connecting it again and it heats up. I have now tried this with two scopes (TBS 120B-EDU and DS)X1120G) and the same thing happens with both of them. I do know that the plug all my equipment is connected to is not grounded (old wiring, looking to rectify this just not sure how at the moment).

 

If anyone has some ideas as to why connecting the scope would cause the IC to heat up I would be very interested in then and exploring this issue further.

 

Thanks

Kas

 

P.s I'm not sure that this is the right group to post this in but, I'm not sure where else this should go.

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  • ewinter2112
    ewinter2112 over 8 years ago +4 suggested
    I purchased one of these as a project for my grandson because it was inexpensive. And you get what you pay for but still well worth the money. I cant speak to you specific issue but ................. To…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 8 years ago in reply to kas.lewis +2 suggested
    If it's drawing 220mA then the chip will get hot (3W at 14V makes for a very hot chip) . Almost certainly the chip is blown. It's a very long time since I used one of these and I can't remember how easy…
  • the-dubster
    the-dubster over 8 years ago +1
    Out of interest, what current is the circuit drawing with the load (O'Scope) connected and not connected? I may be wide of the mark here but the XR2206P has a minimum supply of 10V (Max 26V) - and a typical…
  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 8 years ago

    Hi Kas (mobile so please excuse the briefness), it could be the first time it was reversed, and that has now caused the damage. If you get a chance, check out the 'DDS' ones on eBay, some are not bad, although they are generally only sine and square wave. I've purchased one to explore in more detail, I will also try to write something up about it if it turns out to be any good. I don't have the URL but can check when I get home.

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  • kas.lewis
    0 kas.lewis over 8 years ago in reply to shabaz

    shabaz,

     

    Thank you, I was thinking that but I was REALLY hoping there was something I was missing. Unfortunately those ICs can only be found on places like eBay since they are now obsolete. I will ask though, why does it only get hot when I connect the ground connection from the scope. Without the scope connected the IC doesn't get warm at all.

     

    Thanks

    Kas

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    0 the-dubster over 8 years ago

    Out of interest, what current is the circuit drawing with the load (O'Scope) connected and not connected?

     

    I may be wide of the mark here but the XR2206P has a minimum supply of 10V (Max 26V) - and a typical current draw of 12mA (Max 20mA)  -  XR22106CPD is 14-20mA.

     

    Possibly driving it with a reduced voltage may cause it to draw more current to meet it's power requirements?

     

    Also, output impedance could possibly be an issue, RH Electronics list a kit with an output impedance of 600 ohms - again, could too low an impedance cause excessive current draw?

    (Incidentally, the RH kit has a supply of 12V and between 12-20mA supply current requirements . . . . . . ).

     

     

     

     

    Or I may be talking total cack! image

     

     

     

    Specs and test cct taken from Sparkfun Website

     

     

    (I have no affiliation to the websites listed - they just popped up using a 'popular' search engine!!) image

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  • michaelkellett
    0 michaelkellett over 8 years ago

    If you show us the schematic and exactly where the scope is connected it might be possible to explain the heating up.

     

    A picture might help as well.

     

    MK

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    0 kas.lewis over 8 years ago in reply to the-dubster

    the-dubster,

     

    From what I can see it's consuming 0.22A with a supply of 14V. After disconnecting the scope it's still drawing the same current. Maybe it was an illusion that it was only over heating when connected to the scope. (Its also fun doubting yourself after the fact image).

     

    Kas

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  • kas.lewis
    0 kas.lewis over 8 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hello michaelkellett,

     

    I don't have a good picture of the schematic but I have included one that I have. I should mention as previously mentioned it appears the scope is not having an effect, I just thought it was at the beginning. Doing a second test has shown the IC heating up even with no scope connected. image

    This is the setup, cart is there just to ensure the two power points don't touch each other.

     

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    Here is the schematic, sorry for the really bad quality.

     

     

    Thanks

    Kas

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  • jw0752
    0 jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to kas.lewis

    Hi Kas,

    If your power supply and scope share a common ground you might short the output of the unit if you hooked the scope probes up in reverse polarity.

    John

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  • the-dubster
    0 the-dubster over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    jw0752  apparently the scope and PSU are not currently grounded - the plug they connect to does not have a ground (old wiring according to kas.lewis

     

    220mA is WAAAAAYYYYY too high @ 14V!  (Absolute maximum rating IIRC is 750mW - 26V @ 20mA is only 520mW - You're ripping 3W plus through that!

     

    Does it still produce the waveforms out?

     

    I suspect you may have a goosed IC . . . .

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  • michaelkellett
    0 michaelkellett over 8 years ago in reply to kas.lewis

    If it's drawing 220mA then the chip will get hot (3W at 14V makes for a very hot chip) .

     

    Almost certainly the chip is blown.

     

    It's a very long time since I used one of these and I can't remember how easy they were to blow up.

     

    I realise that you want to learn about analogue circuits - do you want to make a signal generator or was playing with it a end in itself. If you want  a signal generator I can make some other suggestions that are not based on obsolete parts and might be more forgiving.

     

    MK

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    0 the-dubster over 8 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    See my last post below - I misread as 22mA and not 220mA - away too high, supply range is 10 (or 14) to 26V - Current is 14-22mA.  That gives a max power dissipation of 520mW - absolute max rating I think was about 750mW. As michaelkellett stated, you're dragging in excess of 3W through this.

     

    That isn't good whichever way you paint it.

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