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Previously, the team added the mechanism for the auto stand using a metal wire stand and a guitar string acting as a cable. The cable is actuated by a servo and utilizes a servo library for the Atmel ATTiny20 Microcontroller they are using.  Now they need to find a capacitive touch sensor library, possibly Qtouch from Atmel, to allow the auto stand to retract when your finger touches the trigger.

 

 

Ben goes to work on Autodesk Fusion 360 to design the parts he’ll need for 3D printing.  He filets the edges to form a round enclosure for the magnet and makes room for the capacitive touching piece.  After he’s printed the two piece he’s ready to build an autostand mock up.

He builds the mockup on top of an existing mock-up and puts it on the glue gun mech for testing before they do a redesign of the case. He flips the barrel around so that the hot block is at the top and gives them more room for their stand. He needs to use a spacer on it because the stand has an extremity that needs to be clear of the heater barrel. This requires hot gluing together the hot glue gun. When he’s done he got a proof of concept that he can use before they redesign the top half of the glue gun.

While Ben is working, Felix is researching the Qtouch library, a proprietary library for Atmel microcontrollers, for use with the touch sensor. Ben’s already printed out the holo trigger and put the magnet in place. The sensor will go on the front with the wire coming out the back.  They’ll glue it together and put in the spring.  After they know the magnets correct orientation they can proceed with placing metal along with wires and use it as the touch sensor.

As it turns out the Atmel Qtouch library supported almost every ATTINY except the one they selected.  Ben and Felix turn to github where they find a library they can possibly use called tiny touch. It’s got an entire Atmel solution file attached to it, as well as, schematics that they can use with their Atmel microcontroller. The user even uses some machine language to do the timing for the neopixels. This allows you to know exactly how many cycles are executed. The code they are looking at works much like the official Qtouch libraries, but with a smaller code footprint.

After modifying code, Ben puts the prototype back together, and looks for the max resolution on his ADCs so he can get a detailed temperature reading from the glue gun.  He’s got a pair of 100K resistors in parallel to cut the resistance down to 50K, the value they want. Ben performs a soldering trick, heating up the wire just enough to cause plastic to contract. He uses a Rohde & Schwarz oscilloscope to double check the signals are in harmony.  He puts the case together, and modifies the code so that instead of blinking an LED when you touch the trigger, it changes the servo to its two different states, to retract and extend the stand.

 

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  • DAB
    DAB over 7 years ago +2
    Nice episode. Have you considered adding a couple of LED's near the output nozzle to illuminate the area where you apply the glue? DAB
  • makerkaren
    makerkaren over 7 years ago in reply to kingrahl +1
    Love your train of thought! Good idea with the cradle in place of the stand.
  • makerkaren
    makerkaren over 7 years ago in reply to beacon_dave +1
    It's not super stable right now, which I'm pretty concerned about. We're considering that we want to keep the nozzle as narrow as possible making it easier to get glue into tight spots. However, we want…
  • f5kn
    f5kn over 7 years ago

    You may know this already (I haven't checked the comments on other episodes), but Surebonder has a motorized glue gun:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkM30KPHGVY

     

    It doesn't have a stand, but it has a base.
    There are cordless glue guns out there too. I haven't seen any cordless motorized ones yet, though, but I guess one might suck the juice out of the battery much faster.

     

    If Ben decides for a cordless glue gun, then having electronics to save battery life would be a good feature.

     

    The size and shape of the gun depend on what kind of job do you want to do with it. Do you want to make more delicate work with it, or do you want something for an industrial environment, where you need a big flow of melted glue coming out of the gun super fast?

    If it's the first option, then the "glue pen" shape could be better. But put too much weight on the back with motors and stuff and it would be tiresome and unwieldy.

    This could be a problem with the gun too, so either way you gotta work out that balance point.

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  • f5kn
    f5kn over 7 years ago

    Have you seen the Prusa i3 Mk3?

    If not, check out their new extruding mechanism, with the dual Bondtech drive gears. With something like that (concave on the side instead of flat like your brass gear) your glue sticks would get a much better grip, and wouldn't bend on one side. As a bonus, it would also be slimmer than with a gear and a ball bearing.

     

    For the stand, I think you need a mechanism that would make the flipping action faster, snappier. So you don't have to wait for the thing to get to the proper position. Imagine if there's an emergency and you need to place the glue gun on your table as fast as you can...

    You could instead of making it flip into position, make the stand slide out like it was suggested in the video... though it could come down at an angle instead of straight, the side rods staying at the sides of the hot end when retracted, there would be nothing in the way, I don't think. My only concern would be with glue somehow getting stuck on the stand, preventing it from sliding back up and down again. So the flip could prove to be a better solution. Even though there's potential for failure there as well.

    Someone on Youtube suggested a heavy base kind of like that of a cordless drill, so the gun would stand upright. A simpler solution than a motorized stand.

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  • graingerjc@gmail.com
    graingerjc@gmail.com over 7 years ago

    For the glue gun stand.

     

    No servo. Have the rods go completely  through the gun. At the front the rod is bent for the stand and at the rear it is bent also so you can arm/push/*** the stand.  So you can *** it with your thumb.  When you *** it, the stand will be exposed.  When you hit a the release (slight  pressure  on trigger ) the spring will cause the entire  loop of wire/rod to shift causing  the stand move back in to position inside the front of the gun and out the rear.    Note:  Like a hand gun in reverse.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 7 years ago in reply to makerkaren

    makerkaren - cantilever / pantograph type linkages can give you a splaying out type action.

    ( BTW this guy has an impressive collection of mechanical linkage animations on YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/thang010146/videos?disable_polymer=1  )

     

    I don't think you necessarily need additional IO as you could probably link the two stand mechanisms  together with something like a Bowden cable and thus drive them from the same actuator. They are going to be deployed and retracted at the same time after all.

     

    I was thinking more of a scissor type action for the rear support. If you take a pair of scissors and lay them flat on a table, when closed, they are slender, but if opened so that the blades are 90 degrees from one another then they can provide a wider more stable base. With the glue gun, if the very bottom few mm's of the grip was able to rotate through 90 degrees then you would effectively be able to widen the base to make it more stable.

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  • makerkaren
    makerkaren over 7 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    We're currently looking at having the stand extend forward out from inside the area around the nozzle. I thought about trying to find a way to have it splay out, but I'm not sure how to execute it. It will depend on what mechanism Ben lands on to deploy the stand. We're looking at a sort of rack and pinion hooked to a continuous rotation servo right now.

     

    As for a separate stand like a soldering station, Ben is adamantly against it. He wants the user to be able to set the gun down anywhere.

     

    I don't think I'm quite following with how the secondary stand would work. I should also point out that we're running out of I/O, so adding another mechanism may not be possible with the hardware we're currently using.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 7 years ago in reply to makerkaren

    makerkaren - how about:

     

    • the stand at the front could be made to splay out more like a bipod as it deploys, as opposed to swinging down at a fixed width.
    • a case/holster which the glue gun can slot into when not in use (and that the power cord can wrap around) which also doubles up as a stand when in use.
    • have a stand incorporated into the base of the handle that is flush with the base of the handle when in use but then rotates 90 degrees as the stand at the front deploys.
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    makerkaren over 7 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    It's not super stable right now, which I'm pretty concerned about. We're considering that we want to keep the nozzle as narrow as possible making it easier to get glue into tight spots. However, we want the stand to extend from the nozzle end, which can be limiting in stand width. An idea Ben had recently was to widen the base of the handle so that you get a tripod effect when the stand extends from the nozzle.

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    makerkaren over 7 years ago in reply to kingrahl

    Love your train of thought! Good idea with the cradle in place of the stand.

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  • makerkaren
    makerkaren over 7 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Probably should have had a pronunciation key instead. :\

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 7 years ago

    Does anyone know how user specific the QTouch technology is likely to be from a sensitivity aspect ?

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