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Smart Drive motor as a motor 'and' as a generator?

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Former Member over 11 years ago

Hi

I am working on a project where I want to use a Smart Drive Motor (Found in Fisher and Paykel washing machines, and also in LG and Samsung machines) as a motor, and then as a generator.  The problem I am having is getting the motor to work.  It needs a motor controller, but I haven't found anything in a post or anywhere that provides a list of parts and schematic. I am hoping to have the capabiltiy within the system to switch between a motr and a generator.

Given my level of capability I would really like a start to end project description.

 

Does anyone know of such a description or is anyone able to help me out with building this project?

 

Thanks

 

Simon

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to colecago +1
    Hi I have drawn up the schematic as I see it at this point. Points to note are that the motor is in a 3-phase star configuration. I have also drawn in a relay to allow to switch between the motor and generator…
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    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett +1
    Hi Michael, Due to me still being a newbie in this area, I can only offer up the info I have gleaned from the internet. I think the reason this is not a simple stepper is because of the arrangement of…
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi Michael,

    Due to me still being a newbie in this area, I can only offer up the info I have gleaned from the internet.  I think the reason this is not a simple stepper is because of the arrangement of magnets in the rotor.

    As I still haven't figured out how to upload or attach a pdf in this forum I have converted the article I have on this motor into a series of jpgs.  So I will post them below.   To maintain image quality I have kept the file size large which means there will be only one page per post below.  Hope this helps explain why this is a more complex motor than a straight stepper.

     

    Thanks

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    0 michaelkellett over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    If your motor is like this one than it is just a simple 3 phase multipole motor and you may be able to drive it as this article suggests.

     

    I cant recocile this with the spec data you posted:

     

    Motor

    Electronically commutated direct drive 3 Phase brushless DC Motor.

    Motor resistance

                                  Per Winding                    Phase to Phase

    Phase 1                    1.3 ohms @ 20degC          2.6 ohms @ 20 degC

    Phases 2 to 4            6.1 ohms @ 20 degC         12.2 ohms @ 20 degC

    Phases 5 and 6          16 ohms @ 20 degC          32 ohms @ 20 degC

     

    Where did thta data come from ?

     

    MK

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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi Michael,

    The data I gave re resistance etc is from the service manual for the washing machine.  As mentioned, I can only provide the data on the internet as I am still on a steep learning curve, but I am learning a lot.

     

    So from that article, can you, or others, suggest a controller that would suit?  I know that colecago suggested an option from the PML series.  My only reticence is the price.  As I am home-funded I am always on the lookout for the cheapest but still suitable option.  If you are aware of one this would be much appreciated.

     

    Regards

    Simon

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    0 colecago over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Yeah, I'm kind of biased, I used to work at that company a few years ago and know the engineers there.  They are known for quality drives though.  The engineer that designed that does the AC and Brushless drives, as well as some of the higher power DC stuff.  He designed I think it was a 160V 1500A peak motor drive for an electric truck of his.

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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to colecago

    Hi

    Nothing wrong with bias.  But in the instance that you weren't biased, and had a tight budget, is there another driver you would suggest?

     

    Thanks

     

    Simon

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