element14 Community
element14 Community
    Register Log In
  • Site
  • Search
  • Log In Register
  • Community Hub
    Community Hub
    • What's New on element14
    • Feedback and Support
    • Benefits of Membership
    • Personal Blogs
    • Members Area
    • Achievement Levels
  • Learn
    Learn
    • Ask an Expert
    • eBooks
    • element14 presents
    • Learning Center
    • Tech Spotlight
    • STEM Academy
    • Webinars, Training and Events
    • Learning Groups
  • Technologies
    Technologies
    • 3D Printing
    • FPGA
    • Industrial Automation
    • Internet of Things
    • Power & Energy
    • Sensors
    • Technology Groups
  • Challenges & Projects
    Challenges & Projects
    • Design Challenges
    • element14 presents Projects
    • Project14
    • Arduino Projects
    • Raspberry Pi Projects
    • Project Groups
  • Products and Partners
    Products and Partners
    • Arduino
    • Avnet & Tria Boards Community
    • Dev Tools
    • Manufacturers
    • Multicomp Pro
    • Product Groups
    • Raspberry Pi
    • RoadTests & Reviews
  • About Us
    About the element14 Community
  • Store
    Store
    • Visit Your Store
    • Choose another store...
      • Europe
      •  Austria (German)
      •  Belgium (Dutch, French)
      •  Bulgaria (Bulgarian)
      •  Czech Republic (Czech)
      •  Denmark (Danish)
      •  Estonia (Estonian)
      •  Finland (Finnish)
      •  France (French)
      •  Germany (German)
      •  Hungary (Hungarian)
      •  Ireland
      •  Israel
      •  Italy (Italian)
      •  Latvia (Latvian)
      •  
      •  Lithuania (Lithuanian)
      •  Netherlands (Dutch)
      •  Norway (Norwegian)
      •  Poland (Polish)
      •  Portugal (Portuguese)
      •  Romania (Romanian)
      •  Russia (Russian)
      •  Slovakia (Slovak)
      •  Slovenia (Slovenian)
      •  Spain (Spanish)
      •  Sweden (Swedish)
      •  Switzerland(German, French)
      •  Turkey (Turkish)
      •  United Kingdom
      • Asia Pacific
      •  Australia
      •  China
      •  Hong Kong
      •  India
      •  Japan
      •  Korea (Korean)
      •  Malaysia
      •  New Zealand
      •  Philippines
      •  Singapore
      •  Taiwan
      •  Thailand (Thai)
      •  Vietnam
      • Americas
      •  Brazil (Portuguese)
      •  Canada
      •  Mexico (Spanish)
      •  United States
      Can't find the country/region you're looking for? Visit our export site or find a local distributor.
  • Translate
  • Profile
  • Settings
Community Hub
Community Hub
Member's Forum Very low powered light help
  • Blog
  • Forum
  • Documents
  • Quiz
  • Events
  • Leaderboard
  • Polls
  • Files
  • Members
  • Mentions
  • Sub-Groups
  • Tags
  • More
  • Cancel
  • New
Join Community Hub to participate - click to join for free!
Actions
  • Share
  • More
  • Cancel
Forum Thread Details
  • State Suggested Answer
  • Replies 24 replies
  • Answers 12 answers
  • Subscribers 635 subscribers
  • Views 3254 views
  • Users 0 members are here
  • boost converter
  • light
Related

Very low powered light help

pathfider1998
pathfider1998 over 10 years ago

Hello again,
Here's a thing: I need to build something that takes generic 3V LEDs of (almost) any color, running at half+quarter (3/4) of its brightness, which uses generic components anyone can find in electronics components seller (like NPN transistor), takes 0.7V~1.5V, and lights LED until the sun comes up, which is about 6~10 hours.

It does not have to be using rechargeable batteries (it'll be great if they do however) but it must sense light so it turns off when the sun shines.

(Nobody likes to change batteries daily just to enjoy teeny tiny light)

 

It'll be almost mass-produced (~100 units, hand-assembled) so it needs to be very simple.

Its circuit will be based on matrix type breadboards (not Veroboard, which has strips of copper running along the rows) and it does not need to be very small.

 

Battery types will vary from generic AAA size cells to LR42/AG13 batteries.

Colors: Green / Blue / White / Warm White, 2.7V~3.3V <- This is not the voltage the boost converter should output! This is for reference only!

Since it will be running at half of its maximum brightness, the voltage could be lower.

 

More information:

The output of the boost converter ("joule thief") should be just enough to light a generic 3V LED just enough to be visible in a dark room (illuminating small area around it), as mentioned earlier.

It uses high intensity LEDs with clear lens (instead of diffused one). You know, those LEDs used in toys such as spinning tops.

The LEDs are running in limitless mode. (there are no current-limiting resistors)

The circuit could be very tiny in some cases. (1.3cm in diameter, excluding batteries)

It needs no smoothing. (30Hz~)

Manufacturing cost should be minimal as I can't order ready-made ICs now.

 

Updated: There were some misleading lines. They're fixed now. Sorry for the confusion!

  • Sign in to reply
  • Cancel
  • dougw
    0 dougw over 10 years ago in reply to pathfider1998

    What voltage do you need and what current?

    The LEDs mentioned wouldn't normally be classed as high voltage....

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Cancel
  • clem57
    0 clem57 over 10 years ago

    Simple Solar Circuits | Evil Mad Scientist Laboratories Has some ideas if light is present.

    Clem

    PS www.cypress.com/documentation/reference-designs/mppt-based-solar-charge-controller-reference-design ideas again?

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Cancel
  • pathfider1998
    0 pathfider1998 over 10 years ago in reply to dougw

    Thanks for the info! Below is a slightly more detailed explanation for this project.

     

    I need to make a boost converter which outputs high voltage (relative to input voltage, of course) but with low amperes.

    This circuit is commonly known as "Joule Thief".

    I need to somehow make it shut off during daytime and work under batteries, which may or may not be rechargeable. (The circuit I am trying to build will have no support for charging, though)

     

    Agendas:

    • Make a high-V low-I boost converter, with minimal parts available basically anywhere
    • Make the circuit shut off during daytime and turn on during night
    • No microcontrollers allowed (due to its cost and possible hiccups during programming)
    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Reject Answer
    • Cancel
  • pathfider1998
    0 pathfider1998 over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    It's okay, sans PIC microcontroller.

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Cancel
  • dougw
    0 dougw over 10 years ago

    The battery can be turned off during daylight with a cadmium sulfide sensor, resistor and a PFET.

    The LED can be driven from low voltage with an inductive relaxation oscillator, or any oscillator with an inductive flyback output. The circuit plus FET switch takes 2 or 3 transistors.

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up +1 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Reject Answer
    • Cancel
  • michaelkellett
    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to pathfider1998

    The biggest problem is the very low minimum working voltage - almost nothing with general purpose components can work efficiently with 0.7V supply.

    At low currents Alkaline batteries provide very little power once the voltage has dropped below 0.9 or even 1.0 volts so using two batteries gives you a lot more scope.

    My favorite approach (based on not  a lot of time thinking about it)  would by a 6 pin PIC processor (works down to 2V), 2 x MOSFET, a diode, an inductor and some capacitors  - if that kid of parts list is acceptable I can go into more detail.

     

    MK

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up +1 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Cancel
  • gihu
    0 gihu over 10 years ago

    Hi

     

    There are many LED ic driver, for different currents, fixed or adjustable, with different topologies buck, boost... depending on input voltage, and how you connect LEDs in the output (single LEDs, or a string of several LEDs). If your power supply has lower voltage than the LEDs in the output, then chose a boost topology. Also, very important to know the current you want through the LED, as D_Hersey suggest, LED are typcally controlled by current.

     

    Hope that helps,

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Reject Answer
    • Cancel
  • D_Hersey
    0 D_Hersey over 10 years ago in reply to pathfider1998

    LEDs are typically excited with currents rather than potentials

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up +2 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Reject Answer
    • Cancel
  • pathfider1998
    0 pathfider1998 over 10 years ago in reply to shabaz

    The post has been updated as it did not convey what I intended. Sorry for the confusion!

     

    p.s. The voltages and specs can be changed to minimum possible spec. Maybe I can make them work too.

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up +1 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Cancel
  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 10 years ago

    You have an unclear (to me anyway) goal, and you've already specified a few tight technical requirements and restrictions.

     

    This makes it hard to suggest any off-the-shelf design that will immediately suit all your requirements and restrictions, hence why people are suggesting you read around the subject of efficient LED lighting circuits, and low voltage lighting circuits.

     

    Generally if you have tightly defined restrictions in some areas (e.g. that specific voltage range) then you're going to need to design and experiment yourself, but you could use some existing web resources for ideas (even if it helps eliminate some ideas or helps you relax some of the tighter restrictions).

     

    By the way, no such thing as a generic 3V LED of almost any color, some colors (including some that you suggested) need a higher voltage than 3V. That difference matters significantly for voltage multiplying/boost type circuits if you're working with such low supply voltages as you suggest.

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up +1 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • Verify Answer
    • Reject Answer
    • Cancel
<>
element14 Community

element14 is the first online community specifically for engineers. Connect with your peers and get expert answers to your questions.

  • Members
  • Learn
  • Technologies
  • Challenges & Projects
  • Products
  • Store
  • About Us
  • Feedback & Support
  • FAQs
  • Terms of Use
  • Privacy Policy
  • Legal and Copyright Notices
  • Sitemap
  • Cookies

An Avnet Company © 2026 Premier Farnell Limited. All Rights Reserved.

Premier Farnell Ltd, registered in England and Wales (no 00876412), registered office: Farnell House, Forge Lane, Leeds LS12 2NE.

Follow element14

  • X
  • Facebook
  • linkedin
  • YouTube