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  • Author Author: jw0752
  • Date Created: 10 Nov 2018 5:22 AM Date Created
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Exploring the Recom RH-2405D

jw0752
jw0752
10 Nov 2018

My latest experiments revolve around using the Chinese linear power supply board that has been the heart of many of my bench supply builds but rather than powering it with the tradition transformer and bridge arrangement I want to power it with a switch mode power supply.

 

Here is a schematic of the linear power supply board as supplied from the vendor:

 

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My enthusiasm often gets ahead of my eyes and my brain so in typical form I assembled a board and left off the bridge diodes. I then hooked up a 28 volt power supply and checked to see if it would work. It did not! Digging out my schematics with annotated voltages I quickly realized that the important negative 5 volt supply rail was missing. A look at the schematic revealed that the negative 5 volt rail was generated by the AC input line being fed by way of R2 and C2 to a voltage inverter circuit made up of D5, D6, and C3. This voltage is then regulated by R3 and D7.  Subsequent experiments showed that this negative 5 volt rail supplies about 8 mA of current to the negative supply pins (4) of the TL081 Op Amps at U2 and U3.

 

I was left with the problem of supplying the negative 5 volts from the expected 28 volt output of the SMPS that I hoped to use to drive this board.

 

I have been using Recom switching regulators quite often in my builds so I went to their site and started looking for a device that would take 28 volts input and give me a negative 5 volts out. Here is a data sheet for the the device, a RH 2405D, which most closely matched my needs:

 

https://datasheet.octopart.com/RH-2405D-H6-Recom-Power-datasheet-68303594.pdf

 

The input rating on this converter is 24 Volts +/- 10% which would not get me quite to the 28 Volts that I expected from the SMPS. This problem was easily solved as the Chinese linear power supply board comes with a LM7824 that is to be used to power a heat sink cooling fan. I will use the fan supply to power the RH-2405 pending a successful testing of the RH-2405.

 

Once the RH-2405 arrived I set to checking it out and bread boarding it into a test circuit.:

 

   
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Here are the questions that I wanted to answer with my experiment:

 

Will it work as advertised?

Are the +/- 5 volt outputs and their common isolated as advertised?

How will a load affect the operation and voltage of the outputs?

What will the ripple on the output look like?

 

The experiment showed that the isolation of the outputs was good and able to be connected as needed to produce a negative 5 volt rail for the Chinese PS board. I hooked up a load and ran it up to 21 mA which is over double what is expected in normal operation if it were used on the linear board. The ripple on the output looked to be around 150 mV. Here are photos of the test equipment as it monitored the experiment.

 

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All the tests went satisfactorily and I am now prepared to depopulate one of the Chinese Linear board of the original components that generated the negative 5 volt rail and hack the RH-2405 converter onto the board in their place. In preparation for this the original schematic was also depopulated and redrawn with the 24 volt regulator and the RH-2405. Here is the modified schematic:

 

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Sounds like a good project for tomorrow night.

 

John

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752 +4
    John, I may be mistaken, but I don’t see any filtering on the -5 V rail. There’s switching going on inside the RH component and I expect that you see the artifacts of that switching on your rail. I just…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to jc2048 +4
    Hi Jon, Pretty funny that I can't remember my own blogs. It seems I had a component that I could have used without placing an order but it hasn't hurt me to do a little exploring. What I can't figure out…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752 +4
    John, have you ever tried to use Rigol's UltraSigma software for your oscilloscope? It allows you to take a perfect screen capture from your computer. Easy to use. Connect the scope with USB. Open UltraSigma…
  • genebren
    genebren over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hey John,

     

    Great job of modifying this assembly (your skill shows in your work).  Hopefully the end results will warrant the efforts and fine work that you have put into this project.  And as a bonus, I hope that this project teaches you more along the way.  Learning is a long and twisty path and you have made some great progress in that respect.

     

    Gene

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752

    John,

     

    Intro to the software is here:

    https://core-electronics.com.au/tutorials/ultra-sigma-rigol-pc-software-tutorial.html

     

    UltraSigma is the base management software. That's the one that allows you to control the device remotely and take a Print Screen. Very useful.

    If you want to also have a PC control Panel for your device, also download and install UltraScope. I am not a big fan of that UltraScope software - it's in my opinion not the greatest software package in the world image.

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    jw0752 over 7 years ago

    Tonight I continued my experiment to put the RH-2405 on the Linear power supply board in place of the boards original circuitry. I ran into a couple of problems but they were related to not being careful enough. For example I had chosen a 330 uF cap to go across the supply line to the RH-2405 without looking closely at its voltage rating. I am at least cautious when I power up my experiments and so I was monitoring the current supply to the board as I brought the voltage up. After about 18 volts the current began to climb rapidly reaching a couple amps when there should have been no more than 200 mA on the idling power supply board. I quickly backed it off and inspected everything before I tried again and found the same problem. At one point I happened to touch the 330 uF cap and found it was getting warm. Come to find out it was rated at 16 volts and was breaking down as I pushed the voltage past its tolerance. This mistake caused no further damage and was rectified with the replacement to a 50 volt cap. I am not going to discuss the second glitch but suffice it to say it was a foolish mistake. Still no damage and so I lucked out tonight John (3) Smoke and Fire (0).

     

    Here is what the PS board looks like after I mounted the RH-2405 and rerouted the board connections. When I perform these Frankenstein procedures I like to use as much of the original traces and pads as possible to integrate the new circuitry. I have also included a couple pictures of the original board layout so you can compare.

     

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    Modified Board

     

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    Original Board Layout

     

    With this experiment completed I will continue working on the application for this circuit board.

     

    John

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    genebren over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Funny yes, and you are by no means the only one(s) ! (Now what were we talking about????)

    Gene

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    jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I will check out the software as this would be a lot easier.

    John

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