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  • Author Author: jw0752
  • Date Created: 18 Aug 2017 4:10 AM Date Created
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jw0752
jw0752
18 Aug 2017

Yes I admit it, I confess, I Love Wire!

 

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A while back Alpha Wire announced the release of a new wire called Thermo Thin Hook-up Wire. Here is their announcement on e14 in case you missed it.

 

https://www.element14.com/community/groups/alphawire/blog/2017/06/08/alpha-wire-releases-all-new-600v-thermothin-hook-up-wire

 

The announcement offered a free sample so I signed up. That was June 8th. Today two months later I received 2 FEDEX packages each containing 2 feet of Red Thermo Thin Hook-up Wire. Since I had forgotten about my request it was a really nice surprise. Did I mention that I love wire.

 

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This is 22 gauge Thermo Thin wire and it has 19 strands of 34 gauge wire covered by an ECA flouropolymer insulation that is rated at 600 volts. The insulation is quite flexible and can deal with a temperature range of minus 150 degrees C all the way to +300 degrees C. The excellent qualities of the insulation keep the external diameter of the 22 gauge wire to approximately 1 mm. One of the first things that caught my eye was how tightly the strands were wound. As close as I could figure it out we see a 360 degree twist for every cm. This gives the wire a lot of extra flexibility as the single strands are slightly helical and can flex without being stretched beyond their ability to recover or suffer damage. I have no test equipment capable of testing the claims of the manufacturer but I see no reason to doubt them.

Here is a link to Thermo Thin wire on Newark Electronics:

 

http://www.newark.com/alpha-wire/2922-bk005/hook-up-wire-22awg-black-30-5m/dp/22AC3402

 

I really wish I had a good application for this wire at this time. I can see that it would be a pleasure to work with compared to the stiff Teflon covered wire we used to use on sterilizers and other heat intensive equipment in the dental equipment field.

 

While we are on one of my favorite subjects I want to continue to talk about some of the wire technologies that have a special place in my heart.

 

The next one is the wire that was used in the coil cords of corded telephones. For those of us who spent most of our lives using corded phones it has to be a surprise that with all the use and all the abuse the coiled cords almost never failed. They could be stretched, pulled, swung and pulled between ones toes while simultaneously scratching the back of ones neck and continue to function properly for decades. In case you ever wondered why here is the secret.

 

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Each of the 4 wires of the coiled cord had its own 4 separate conductors. Each of these conductors consisted of a nylon string with a flat ribbon of copper conductor wound around it like a coiled spring. If you look at the picture you can see where I have separated the copper ribbon from the inner nylon string on one conductor. Remember how impressed I was with the tight winding of the Thermo Thin with 1 twist per cm, well the phone wire has upwards of 15 coils per cm. In this configuration the wire is very much like a coiled spring and our bending and twisting has little or no effect on the copper conductor at any point. The internal nylon string takes up all the linear force and leaves the ribbon of copper to do its job of conducting electrons. One of the products that I developed for the dental industry used this technology to solve a problem. In the dental clinics there were wall mounted x-ray units to take radiographs of the patient's teeth. Each of these units had a coiled cord with a thumb switch attached so that the operator could step out of the room, away from the x-ray radiation, and push the button to make the exposure. These cords were very prone to failure and were constantly in need of repair or replacement. My re-purposing of telephone technology brought the telephone cord into the dental operatory to be used as the cord on these x-ray exposure switches. These cords are still being sold to dental equipment repair people across the world.

 

http://www.chapmanhuffman.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=461

 

Another of my favorite wires are the rubberized (silicone) test probe and patch cord wires made by Pomona. These 18 gauge beauties just call out to me and beg me to make them into test leads and patch cords.

 

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They are composed of many small gauge strands (192 strands of 41ga according to the data sheet) that make them flexible and durable. I have lived long enough to know that the rubberized insulation will eventually ( 40 years or so ) harden and crumble but no one would be disappointed in this kind of a life span and perhaps the new silicone version will last even longer. In case you would like to make some nice cords for your own lab here is the link to the wire on e14 Newark Electronics. The Red is denoted by a -2 and the black by a -0.  Just a side feature, (they smell nice too).

 

http://www.newark.com/pomona/6733-2/test-lead-wire-50ft-18awg-copper/dp/63H2515

 

Another of my pet wires is not to be found easily. I call them High Strand wire and I have only been able to get them by salvaging them out of expensive dental equipment cords. They are used in the cords that go between a table top machines and the handpieces used by the dentist. In some case they supply the 2 or 3 watts of power needed to light a small halogen bulb that lights the inside of the patients mouth. These wires can have up to a hundred or more individual strands of fine gauge wire all in a 20 to 24 overall gauge conductor. They are extremely flexible and durable. I like to use then in any application where I need to handle currents of up to an ampere and where the wire will under go a lot of bending and flexing. I would not use these wires for voltages over 30 or 40 volts as I am quite sure that the insulation is not rated for higher voltages. If you want to get a hold of some of this wire check with your local dentists and ask them to save their old handpiece cords for you or if you have a dental equipment repair man in your area he probably has a pile of them in a corner of his shop.

 

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The last wire that I will cover here is the Kynar wire wrap hookup wire. I was reminded of this wire the other day when I read shabaz 's excellent DIY test instrument project:

 

https://www.element14.com/community/community/project14/diytestequipment/blog/2017/07/14/cyclops-1000-an-electronic-eye-for-rotational-speed-measurement

 

If you look carefully at the first picture in his blog of the perf board prototype you can see how he has skillfully used the Kynar wire as hookup wire. It is very small diameter and can be threaded through the perf board holes to provide beauty and strain relief. The insulation on this wire is a cousin of the insulation on the Thermo Thin and as such is quite high voltage and tolerant of heat, cold and chemicals. Here is a picture of a 30 gauge Kynar wire:

 

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Now that I have introduced you to some of my favorite wires I invite you to send me pictures and stories about your own favorite wire technology. When it comes to wires just remember that I am a little like a cat lady and your favorite might end up being part of my collection too.

 

John

 

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 7 years ago in reply to mcb1 +7
    One of my favorite wires is the very opposite. We used 49 and 50 SWG enameled copper wire to wind microphone coils. The 50SWG is 0.001" diameter and you could break it by heavy breathing (almost ). We…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 7 years ago +6
    I can remember using the very flexible telephone style wire (we called them tinsel conductors) - they were a pain to solder and were often finished off at the ends by binding thin copper wire round the…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 7 years ago +6
    This was done by machine, not by hand. I can remember doing the odd one when required ... by hand. You are right there was no other way to do it. jw0752 I Love Wire! I've done a quick search and I haven…
  • the-dubster
    the-dubster over 7 years ago in reply to mcb1

    It certainly was not an MSD ignition system - something I am familiar with. It was - not to gild the lily as it were - a piece of crap.

     

    As you say, modern cars don't have a traditional dizzy/points/coil system - my current car has individual coilpacks for each cylinder. My older ones can also benefit from an upgrade - the Morris Minor for instance would certainly in better with a Hall Effect sensor where the points reside - firing either a Ford EDIS system or any other solid state HT system.

    They benefit from a far more accurately timed spark - and a 'fatter' one at that too.

     

    I'm even going to go that way if I ever get my rather nice 2.0Ltr VW tall-block with twin Webers squeezed into a Peugeot 306 engine bay. (a nice Emerald ECU or maybe build a Megajolt if they still exist).

     

     

    This rather poor device was actually designed to fit inline on your HT leads, the rest of the components - condenser/points/dizzy/coil were retained. I don't recall how it achieved its action - just that it did merely take the energy released by the coil and divide it.

     

    I suspect that is not a beneficial approach - and thus why the device has fallen by the wayside, along with fuel magnets and eBay 'electric turbo's' with 2 PC fans inside.

     

    Unless you fall for the hype that is!

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 7 years ago in reply to the-dubster

    I'm always amazed by sales pitches where the salesamn has no idea of the underlying science behind his claim.

    You can often trap them by asking "why" or "how".

     

     

    a wonderful device that took the energy from the coil and broke it up into a series of pulses

    MSD units are often used in High Performance applications.

    My understanding is that you're not using stored energy in the coil as you would with kettering style ignition, but the coil is acting as a transformer.

    MSD have an explantion of ignition systems here, and as you'd expect the kettering system starts falling off at higher rpm while the Capacitive Discharge doesn't.

    https://www.msdperformance.com/support/ignition_basics/

     

    Another bit of info.

    http://www.dragzine.com/news/msd-ignition-101-get-your-spark-on/

     

    Some boxes have other features such as soft rev limiters and tunable advance curves, etc and thesy also use a more appropriate coil.

     

     

    The demonstartion you saw may not have been an MSD unit, but I'm not sure you can get a kettering style ignition to multiple spark.

    Of course modern cars no longer have a distributor, and with multiple coils MSD devices are much use.

     

    Cheers

    Mark

     

    This one is also interesting, although the images are simply to show the flame front.

    http://www.egr.msu.edu/zhug/Conference%20Articles/In-cylinder%20combustion%20visualization%20of%20a%20direct-injection%2…

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  • the-dubster
    the-dubster over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Alternatively, if you can give factual scientific explanations for the design properties - but neglect to inform anyone that they are irrelevant and have no practical purpose in the intended application - you can sell a fool anything!

     

    (Not that I'm calling you a fool Jon - you got it cheap and weren't sucked in by the hype).

     

     

     

    It kinda reminds me of a practical demonstration of a 'spark splitter' at a car show years ago. The rig that was set up had an inverted spark plug being fired by a conventional distributor / coil setup, the (snake-oil) salesman poured some fuel into the spark plug and fired it up - there were flames as you'd expect.

    He then switched over to a spark splitter - a wonderful device that took the energy from the coil and broke it up into a series of pulses, in goes the fuel and - surprise surprise - you get a bigger flame.

    The idea is, you think you're getting more burn in your engine so you get more power!

     

    Where the demonstration fails is, it is NOT representative of the engine, the problem is, you divide the spark energy so the FIRST spark is weaker (poor burn), the following (also weaker sparks) are now sparking where the fuel USED to be - the flame front spreads out from the ignition point.

    Even with swirl potentially moving unburned fuel air mixture around the cylinder, it is unlikely to contact the sparks within the cycle.

     

    I was transfixed (and convinced) until the facts were pointed out to me later (no, I didn't buy - a fool and his money are only easily parted if that fool actually has any money)!

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  • dougw
    dougw over 7 years ago in reply to jc2048

    Exactly - audio frequencies don't make sense. Maybe it started out as some experimental low-loss twin-lead balanced rf transmission line, but didn't perform or sell as expected, so it got sold as surplus speaker wire. Probably the vendor just didn't know what it was and made up a bafflegab story line.

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  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Maybe the arrows allow tracking of speaker polarity.

    I hadn't thought of that. Maybe all of this was just bored shop staff having fun and seeing what tall stories they could convince the customers of.

     

    Separating the 2 bundles increases the characteristic impedance - not sure why this is needed in speaker wire.

    Is it reasonable to talk about a characteristic impedance for something at 20kHz? The wavelength is 15km and you'd only really start to think about it in transmission line terms at about a tenth of that - my speaker cables are a only a few metres.

    However you're right in that you'd start to lose the benefits of the mutual inductance between the two wires (the magnetic field cancellation would reduce and each wire would start to look inductive, hardly a benefit in a current loop). How that would affect the response I don't know.

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