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Arduino and Transistors Question - RE: School Musical Production

wallarug
wallarug over 11 years ago

One of the directors has asked me to create a special backdrop for our college musical. This particular backdrop has a particular design (see below) that includes LED strip lighting to give the feel of a 1920s casino sign – similar to what is seen today in Las Vegas.

I  have done up a detailed design for this sign, based off the rough sketch given to me by the director and the dimensions of the backdrop.  On this diagram, the arrangement of the LED strip lighting can be seen.

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The LED Strip lighting that will be bought for this project will be sourced from Jaycar – “Low Cost 5m Flexible Adhesive LED Strip Light – Warm White” (ZD0577).  According to the specifications off Jaycar’s website, these LED lights need 1.1 Amps per metre @ 12 volts.  This means that the longest segments of lights need 1.1 * 1.5 = 1.65 Amps of power (rounded up by 20% for safety: 2.0 Amps @ 12 volts).

 

This would not be an issue if I was just turning these LED Strips on and off with mains power BUT I want to control these LEDs via an Arduino, so that they can do fancy things like flash and chase.  That means that I would need a circuit to control these lights with an Arduino so that everything remains safe and does not blow up.

I have come up with this circuit (below) using a couple of NPN transistors and two power supplies.  In the diagram below, I am aware that the transistor pinouts are EBC.  The ones I am going to buy have a pinout of BCE.

 

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The only problem with this is that I have very little understanding of transistor circuits.  What this circuit has to be able to do is:

  • Using the smallest amount of current from the Arduino (at 5 volts) or a Raspberry Pi (3v3 volts), turn on the circuit to allow the 12 volts that powers the LED strip lighting to flow.

 

I was thinking of using either TIP41C NPN Transistors (in a darlington Array) or TIP122 NPN transistors.

 

This circuit will be replicated 8 times over to accommodate for the number of LEDs I am controlling.

 

 

Can anyone help me:

  1. Design a circuit that will work 100% and will be safe (ie: low heat)
    1. This includes base resistance
  1. Confirm which transistors I should be using for this project.

 

Any help will be much appreciated.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 11 years ago +1
    Sorry the one I suggested wont work, but this one should http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZK8821 10+ current rating and at 0.016ohms it should be good for your needs pdf here http://www.vishay…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to jw0752 +1
    John If you are referring to this It means that at a gate voltage of 1.6 typ, a current of 250uA will be flowing in the Drain. If you look here, you can see that from 3 to 3.3v will give you enough to…
  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 11 years ago +1
    Solenoid Whapper:
  • mcb1
    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    While you are writing it, you could use a LED (with a series resistor) between +5v and the pin, which will be the same as your final circuit...

     

    Mark

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    0 wallarug over 11 years ago in reply to mcb1

    That's the way!  LED with a resistor value of 680 Ohms ! - on the 12 volt circuit.  LED on 5v with resistor: 180 Ohms.

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    0 jw0752 over 11 years ago in reply to dougw

    Hi Douglas

    I am interested in using the NTD4906 that you show in your schematic for powering LEDs from the Arduino. I looked at the data sheet and saw that the minimum - typical and max threshold voltages are 1.0 , 1.6 , and 2.2. Does this mean that the 5 volt high from the Arduino output is stressing the gate or am I misinterpreting the meaning of the max as applied to a gate threshold?

    Thanks John

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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    LED with a resistor value of 680 Ohms ! - on the 12 volt circuit.

     

    WARNING

    Unless a chip is especially made, you should not apply a voltage greater than the supply voltage to any pin.

    The arduino is 5v, so you shouldn't apply more than 5v to the pins. (if its 3v3, then 3v3 is the maximum)

     

    If you used a LED with a resistor connected to 12v, you be applying 12v when the output is high.

     

     

    If your comment above refers to using the led in place of the led strips then I tend to use a 1k for 12v and 220 (or 270) for 5v.

    LEDs tend to be just as bright at 10mA as they do at 20mA, so why stress them.

     

    Mark

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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to jw0752

    John

    If you are referring to this

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    It means that at a gate voltage of 1.6 typ, a current of 250uA will be flowing in the Drain.

     

    If you look here, you can see that from 3 to 3.3v will give you enough to turn it on fully.

    image

     

    The maximum Gate to Source voltage is 20v

    image

     

     

    Mark

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    0 jw0752 over 11 years ago in reply to mcb1


    Thank you Mark. That fully answered my question. I confused max threshold voltage with max gate to source voltage. It is really nice how much can be learned just by following these conversations, as you guys hash over the problem and its solutions.

    John

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 11 years ago in reply to jw0752

    LOL, with a few side tracks along the way... But its all fun fun fun

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to jw0752

    John it's been a pleasure and I'm glad u got more out of it than a simple circuit diagram

    Would of ever given

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    0 wallarug over 11 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Yes, I am referring to using the LED in place of the strips.  When the Arduino voltage is high it is off.  (High = 0, Low = 1).

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    If you used a LED with a resistor connected to 12v, you be applying 12v when the output is high.

    "


    I hope above is a mistake, otherwise I will be very confused.

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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    wallrug.

     

    Surprisingly you can tell the output its HIGH or 1, hence I used the terms ON and OFF to describe the LED.

    I was thinking you might be hooking a LED and series resistor, directly between 12v and the Arduino pin while writing the software ...my mistake.image

     

    For anyone following this ...

    In terms of outputs they are like two switches across the pin.

    one is connected between the pin and the internal ground inside the chip, the other between the pin and the internal 5v.

    They have to be either HIGH/1/on or LOW/0/off meaning one or other switch is operated.

     

    If the output is LOW, then the pin is shorted to ground, hence there is no voltage on the pin and as long as the current doesn't exceed the 40mA limit, everyone is happiness filled.

    If the output is HIGH, then the pin is shorted to 5v, and that 12v thru the LED and resistor can flow up into the 5v line, which is not very good at all.

     

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