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Come a long way since then!

Thank you Warren

I really don't understand your response.

I've not ignored, nor have I tried to be unappreciative of any advice or directions directly relevant to a problem I was trying to solve.

But if you want to get into a debate about underlying philosophy and default settings, I'll take this as far you want.

I'll call technical support from now on, open till 7pm est.

I wont have to put up with their attitude, and they get paid to put up with mine.

What do you think you offer that they can't?

And who do you think you are to me.   I have helped plenty of people in my time I wouldn't spend 2 minutes with if I didn't have to.   You think you're any different?

On 03/17/2014 12:09 PM, Brian Mcclung wrote:

Hi Chuck

 

I appreciate your response, but

 

Nothing is going to make feel better about the way Eagle is defaulted.

...

I appreciate your response, you told me how to change things.   You can

do nothing more, please don't try.

I won't.  It seems you've pretty much burned all your bridges here.

Hi Chuck

I appreciate your response, but

Nothing is going to make feel better about the way Eagle is defaulted.   You could spend all day teaching me how to set up my design rules, I would certainly appreciate and learn something from it, but it wouldn't change my opinion about the default parameters.

Perhaps the clue here is right in something you said.

"But many of us use bench-top etching systems to fab our own

boards.  I used to do this with PTH boards.  Once I moved to surface

mount, I couldn't achieve the tolerances required so I've had to use a

real board fab house."

real board fab house?????

Is this what Eagle is initially set up for, amateurs and hobbyists etching their own boards.

Don't be insulted, hear me out.

Perhaps when Eagle initializes, it might try setting itself for default rules according to how the user is going to have his boards made.

Perhaps even a warning that the default rules don't reflect current manufacturing capabilities

I appreciate your response, you told me how to change things.   You can do nothing more, please don't try.

Sincerely

Brian

On 03/14/2014 02:03 PM, Brian Mcclung wrote:

Here is where I'm having a problem with the design rules.

 

This particular part that was giving me problems was obsolete 7 years

ago.  It has been replaced with the M model, but the spacing is the

same.   This particular obsolete part has been around 10 years.

 

What legitimate board house could not handle that spacing.

Most can.  But many of us use bench-top etching systems to fab our own

boards.  I used to do this with PTH boards.  Once I moved to surface

mount, I couldn't achieve the tolerances required so I've had to use a

real board fab house.

So let me retract my question, why are the DRC rules not self

adjusting.   I could further debate the point, but I wont.

Self adjusting to what?  Just automatically change the tolerances so DRC

doesn't produce errors?  That would defeat the purpose of DRC.

I never changed the DRC rules.

Perhaps you should change them to what suits your design.  10 mil

spacing is fine for PTH boards.  SMD boards clearly need smaller tolerances.

Now my question is this.

 

Why would Eagle default to parameters that don't reflect current

manufacturing capabilities.

 

Is that spacing really beyond typical manufacturing capability?

 

If it isn't, I was caused unnecessary trouble by the parameters it

defaulted to.

If you don't like the defaults, change them.  You can do so through the

control panel.  In the tree, expand Design Rules, double click

default.dru and edit as necessary.

HTH,

    - Chuck

Doug Wellington scribbled thus:

Brian Mcclung wrote:

 

You don't have to act like you are the defenders of eagle.

 

LOL, but this is the EAGLE forum - we ARE the defenders of EAGLE!

 

 * autodeskguest dons his EAGLE cape and stands on the roof, hands on hips, gazing

into the distance with his hair and cape billowing behind him in the

wind while patriotic music plays...

 

Everything about Eagle is not the greatest.

 

In some circles, that comment would be worthy of the title "troll"...

I'd already come to that conclusion !

Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)

 

Seriously though, what other EDA products have you used, why are they

better than EAGLE, and why aren't you using them?

 

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                      Baron.

You should really listen to yourself.

I haven't refused any advice, or ignored anything that was told me that was relevant to my needs.

And maybe this will help you.   Was there a necessity for this response.   Did I insult you because I didn't give you the respect you think you deserve?   I moved to Eagle because my Multisim / Ultiboard combination has become unusable due to package type availability, and that is the only reason.

I much prefer it over Eagle, of course when Multisim was purchased by National Instruments the price escalated.   Like most people I have to move to what I can use and afford.

You have any other questions?   And you can take your laughing out loud or lots of love, like I know which it is, and stick it

Brian Mcclung wrote:

You don't have to act like you are the defenders of eagle.

LOL, but this is the EAGLE forum - we *ARE* the defenders of EAGLE!

 * _defaultUser dons his EAGLE cape and stands on the roof, hands on hips, gazing into the distance with his hair and cape billowing behind him in the wind while patriotic music plays...

Everything about Eagle is not the greatest.

In some circles, that comment would be worthy of the title "troll"...

Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seriously though, what other EDA products have you used, why are they better than EAGLE, and why aren't you using them?

I'm always amazed by some people for whom the HELP section included in most software in unused.

The same people expect others to guide them through a learning process, but then bite the hand that feeds them.

You tried your best Doug, now its time to let Brian discover it on his own.

No I'm not an expert on Eagle and I'm learning it as well, but I've used the help section to find out many things.

Like everything you don't know, it takes time to learn and this is no different.

Mark