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Greetings

 

My name is Brian, and I am a new user of Eagle, for right now the free version.

 

First question, is there any way to stop Eagle from carrying on point to point connections.   I am sure at times this is a very useful feature, but I need it to stop after automatically after it connects 2 points.   I hope this is possible, as if this is a persistent feature, it will really turn me off to Eagle.

 

But more importantly, I did a practice design and have a problem.

 

I am using a XF2H-3415 surface mount connector, .5 mm spacing.   I have a bit of a problem with the datasheet, as it doesn't clearly state the measurement units, but since the first page notes a measurement in mm, I'm assuming they are smart enough to carry those units throughout the datasheet.

 

Let me describe what I did, and perhaps did not do.

 

I have my board layout done, I have two 12 pin single row headers on each side of the board, and the other connector on the other side.   And I see the Ratsnest.

 

I think the pad color denotes side of board, but I'm not sure how to check or change that.

 

This is where the confusion starts.

 

I can't get the autorouter to start, and I come up with 34 DRC errors.

 

I'm a beginner, probably making a silly mistake, but Eagle also has a much more complicated set of DRC rules than I'm used to.

 

I have attached an image.

 

Help is most appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Brian K

BKM Engineering

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  • in reply to AnalogNotes

    I'm going to make this really simple for you.

     

    The next time anybody refers to anything I'm questioning, wanting to do, or thinking you should be allowed to do as catastrophically stupid, they will get an attitude from me.

     

    You don't have to act like you are the defenders of eagle.

     

    Everything about Eagle is not the greatest.

  • in reply to AnalogNotes

    I'm not going to respond to your insults.

  • in reply to Former Member

    What part of "Seriously though, what other EDA products have you used, why are they better than EAGLE, and why aren't you using them?" do you consider to be an insult?

     

    I hope you'll take a deep breath and read the part that starts with "LOL" again and see it for the humor that it is.  You *do* know what LOL means, right?  Wikipedia: LOL

  • in reply to AnalogNotes

    Leave it.

     

    It was the 1st 3/4 of your message that was insulting.

     

    I will find other resources for help.

  • in reply to Former Member

    In that case, I hope at least the first 3/4 of my messages were useful to you...

     

    Best of luck, sir!

  • in reply to AnalogNotes

    I'm always amazed by some people for whom the HELP section included in most software in unused.

    The same people expect others to guide them through a learning process, but then bite the hand that feeds them.

     

    You tried your best Doug, now its time to let Brian discover it on his own.

     

     

    No I'm not an expert on Eagle and I'm learning it as well, but I've used the help section to find out many things.

    Like everything you don't know, it takes time to learn and this is no different.

     

    Mark

  • in reply to AnalogNotes

    And maybe this will help you.   Was there a necessity for this response.   Did I insult you because I didn't give you the respect you think you deserve?   I moved to Eagle because my Multisim / Ultiboard combination has become unusable due to package type availability, and that is the only reason.

     

    I much prefer it over Eagle, of course when Multisim was purchased by National Instruments the price escalated.   Like most people I have to move to what I can use and afford.

     

    You have any other questions?   And you can take your laughing out loud or lots of love, like I know which it is, and stick it

     

    Brian Mcclung wrote:

    You don't have to act like you are the defenders of eagle.

     

    LOL, but this is the EAGLE forum - we *ARE* the defenders of EAGLE!

     

     * _defaultUser dons his EAGLE cape and stands on the roof, hands on hips, gazing into the distance with his hair and cape billowing behind him in the wind while patriotic music plays...

     

    Everything about Eagle is not the greatest.

     

    In some circles, that comment would be worthy of the title "troll"...

     

    Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     

    Seriously though, what other EDA products have you used, why are they better than EAGLE, and why aren't you using them?

  • in reply to mcb1

    You should really listen to yourself.

     

    I haven't refused any advice, or ignored anything that was told me that was relevant to my needs.

  • in reply to AnalogNotes

    Doug Wellington scribbled thus:

     

    Brian Mcclung wrote:

     

    You don't have to act like you are the defenders of eagle.

     

    LOL, but this is the EAGLE forum - we ARE the defenders of EAGLE!

     

     * autodeskguest dons his EAGLE cape and stands on the roof, hands on hips, gazing

    into the distance with his hair and cape billowing behind him in the

    wind while patriotic music plays...

     

    Everything about Eagle is not the greatest.

     

    In some circles, that comment would be worthy of the title "troll"...

     

    I'd already come to that conclusion !

     

    Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)

     

    Seriously though, what other EDA products have you used, why are they

    better than EAGLE, and why aren't you using them?

     

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    Best Regards:

                          Baron.

     

  • in reply to Former Member

    On 03/14/2014 02:03 PM, Brian Mcclung wrote:

    Here is where I'm having a problem with the design rules.

     

    This particular part that was giving me problems was obsolete 7 years

    ago.  It has been replaced with the M model, but the spacing is the

    same.   This particular obsolete part has been around 10 years.

     

    What legitimate board house could not handle that spacing.

     

    Most can.  But many of us use bench-top etching systems to fab our own

    boards.  I used to do this with PTH boards.  Once I moved to surface

    mount, I couldn't achieve the tolerances required so I've had to use a

    real board fab house.

     

    So let me retract my question, why are the DRC rules not self

    adjusting.   I could further debate the point, but I wont.

    Self adjusting to what?  Just automatically change the tolerances so DRC

    doesn't produce errors?  That would defeat the purpose of DRC.

     

    I never changed the DRC rules.

     

    Perhaps you should change them to what suits your design.  10 mil

    spacing is fine for PTH boards.  SMD boards clearly need smaller tolerances.

     

    Now my question is this.

     

    Why would Eagle default to parameters that don't reflect current

    manufacturing capabilities.

     

    Is that spacing really beyond typical manufacturing capability?

     

    If it isn't, I was caused unnecessary trouble by the parameters it

    defaulted to.

     

    If you don't like the defaults, change them.  You can do so through the

    control panel.  In the tree, expand Design Rules, double click

    default.dru and edit as necessary.

     

    HTH,

        - Chuck