Layers in Standard (Hobbyist) Edition

On 12/15/2014 2:17 AM, Gary La wrote:

I cannot manage to enable or select Route2, Route3, Route14 or Route15.

My "About" shows I have the Standard Edition. It is my understanding

that this version allows 6 signal layers, yet I can access only Top and

Bottom.

 

Anyone know how I can enable the four inner layers?

Hi Gary,

I hope you're doing well. To enable the extra layers, go into the DRC>

Layers Tab and then adjust the setup equation for the additional layers.

Simplest example for six layers would be:

(1231415*16)

hth,

Jorge Garcia

Thank you. I finally figured that out.

Frankly, this is among the very worst PCB programs I've ever worked with over the past 20 years. Absolutely horrible.

Obviously, instead of re-writing between versions they must cut and paste from prior versions. Either that or they can't be bothered with studying the prior art. This results in a non-intuitive, disjointed, inconsistent interface.

The "help" is a complete waste of time. It states the obvious but with as few lines as possible.

I am looking forward to moving some new customers off this disaster and onto my real PCB design program. It costs a lot more, but it's well worth it compared to this unbelievably bad program.

On 15/12/14 21:36, Gary La wrote:

Frankly, this is among the very worst PCB programs I've ever worked with

over the past 20 years. Absolutely horrible.

 

If you really feel that, then you're at liberty to bugger off to your

preferred one.

Obviously, instead of re-writing between versions they must cut and

paste from prior versions.

Only idiots reinvent the wheel every time.

Either that or they can't be bothered with

studying the prior art. This results in a non-intuitive, disjointed,

inconsistent interface.

No, it results in a consistent, flexible, intuitive and powerful

interface for those who can be bothered to learn it. The so-called

"prior art" is mostly unusably crap and every time Cadsoft bend to the

irrational clamour of unreasonable people demanding "more Windows-like"

the result is a mistake. Fortunately, Cadsoft usually allow users to

revert to the better, original version.

 

The "help" is a complete waste of time. It states the obvious but with

as few lines as possible.

The help in Eagle is a million times better than the help in most

applications. It's one of the best I've ever encountered. Largely

because, unlike ALL the rest, it doesn't just state the bleeding obvious.

 

I am looking forward to moving some new customers off this disaster and

onto my real PCB design program. It costs a lot more, but it's well

worth it compared to this unbelievably bad program.

Woah... hang on...

   onto MY real PCB design program

So you're actually a vendor of an over-priced competitor tool? Spreading

offensive FUD in a misguided malicious smear campaign as part of your

marketing policy? Is that what you're telling us?

If so, you can definitely "£$" off!

Your temper-tantrum only proves my point. Written by non-pros as I suspected.

Luckily, I only got this to help some local kids build their school project and I don't actually need to rely on this.

Here's a perfect example. Suddenly, the product crashes. Then when I try to reload it and open the same schematic, it displays:

"Loading C:/School/Projects/PCB/eagle/anadig.sch ...

Warning(s):

line 11443: invalid value '' for attribute 'name' in tag <net>

Error:

line 11452, column 6: invalid/missing attribute 'name' in tag <net>"

It has no mechanism to get past this. So that's the end of that schematic, I guess. Very unprofessional. No excuse for this type of behavior. A pro would've fixed the file with a placeholder or temporary tag so that the work could be recovered. Or at the very least, prompted the user to enter a value. Or opened the schematic but deleted the part associated with the fault. Or about 10 other things. But not this product -- end of schematic.

"Gary La"  skrev i nyhetsmeldingen:

623453155.21418692381419.JavaMail.jive@flmspu-csapp-02.premierfarnell.com

...

Here's a perfect example. Suddenly, the product crashes. Then when I try

to reload it and open the same schematic, it displays:

OK, you want to keep this professional, so let's not rant about a user

interface that you dont care to spend time learning. You will upset a lot of

the old stayers by claiming Eagle is crap.

Believe me, Eagle is very powerful for its use and a lot of value for the

money. Besides, the support you get (for free!) is beyond comparison. Eagle

is not perfect but you will love it if you care to learn it. You will get a

kickstart if you learn its history since the command line days. It has kept

its command line backbone, but added GUI ways to execute the commands. It's

not a fully windows-accent gui environment, but rather multi platform, as

Eagle runs on both Linux, Mac and Windows.

The error you quote is obviously a bug or some corrupted project. I'm sure

it can be fixed, and Im even sure someone at Cadsoft will offer you to

repair it, and it surely won't cost you a yearly service agreement fee. A

volunteer on this forum community may even offer to fix it for you if your

approach is a bit friendlier.

On 16/12/14 01:12, Gary La wrote:

It has no mechanism to get past this. So that's the end of that

schematic, I guess. Very unprofessional. No excuse for this type of

behavior. A pro would've fixed the file with a placeholder or temporary

tag so that the work could be recovered. Or at the very least, prompted

the user to enter a value. Or opened the schematic but deleted the part

associated with the fault. Or about 10 other things. But not this

product -- end of schematic.

Your faith in this mystical "pro" astonishes me. I've used Microsoft

tools! And Orcad, and Matlab/Simulink, and all those other very

expensive professional tools. None of them do any better at this than

Eagle - most worse.

You can accuse me of temper tantrums all you like - without the

slightest justification, since you were the first to throw one - but it

makes no difference to the fact that the holy grail you seem to expect

from over-priced software does not exist in the real world. In my many

years of using computer software the one thing I have absolutely found

is that

    You DON'T get what you pay for

You want a program that allows a recovery mechanism for a corrupted file

(which clearly is what you had)? Use one with a plain text format

(Eagle's is now XML, which isn't perfect but...) and/or open source.

Yes, that's right, the most likely programs to survive bad files are the

FREE ones!

Am 16.12.2014 um 09:49 schrieb Rob Pearce:

On 16/12/14 01:12, Gary La wrote:

It has no mechanism to get past this. So that's the end of that

schematic, I guess. Very unprofessional. No excuse for this type of

behavior. A pro would've fixed the file with a placeholder or temporary

tag so that the work could be recovered. Or at the very least, prompted

the user to enter a value. Or opened the schematic but deleted the part

associated with the fault. Or about 10 other things. But not this

product -- end of schematic.

 

Your faith in this mystical "pro" astonishes me. I've used Microsoft

tools! And Orcad, and Matlab/Simulink, and all those other very

expensive professional tools. None of them do any better at this than

Eagle - most worse.

 

You can accuse me of temper tantrums all you like - without the

slightest justification, since you were the first to throw one - but it

makes no difference to the fact that the holy grail you seem to expect

from over-priced software does not exist in the real world. In my many

years of using computer software the one thing I have absolutely found

is that

 

     You DON'T get what you pay for

 

You want a program that allows a recovery mechanism for a corrupted file

(which clearly is what you had)? Use one with a plain text format

(Eagle's is now XML, which isn't perfect but...) and/or open source.

Yes, that's right, the most likely programs to survive bad files are the

FREE ones!

 

Bob, Morten and others imho you should stop the discussion.

You are just feeding a troll.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Gary La prodded the keyboard

Here's a perfect example. Suddenly, the product crashes. Then when I

try to reload it and open the same schematic, it displays:

 

"Loading C:/School/Projects/PCB/eagle/anadig.sch ...

Warning(s):

line 11443: invalid value '' for attribute 'name' in tag <net>

Error:

line 11452, column 6: invalid/missing attribute 'name' in tag <net>"

 

It has no mechanism to get past this. So that's the end of that

schematic, I guess. Very unprofessional. No excuse for this type of

behavior. A pro would've fixed the file with a placeholder or

temporary tag so that the work could be recovered. Or at the very

least, prompted the user to enter a value. Or opened the schematic

but deleted the part associated with the fault. Or about 10 other

things. But not this product -- end of schematic.

 

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                       Baron.

I fixed it myself by digging into the XML file.

The group function and cut-to-clipboard need to be streamlined.

Often clicking on objects with the anticipation that the currently-selected part will be affected by the currently-selected operation often yields no action. For example: move. Clicking on an object and dragging usually fixes the object to the mouse and the move is performed. But very often it only highlights the object.

The library manager needs to be completely rewritten. It's a disaster.

I will agree that most CAD/PCB programs are grossly over-priced. However, when I use the library manager in Eagle, I desperately wish I was using my over-priced tools.