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Former Member
Former Member over 11 years ago

Has anyone here used a laser cutter in conjunction with eagle to make pcbs?

 

im using pcb-gcode to create the code to use with a milling machine (modding it to turn the laser on and off once it generates the code), then running it through EMC2 that controls our 40w cutter. I spray paint the side of the copper board I intend to use and vaporize the traces with the laser...

 

im just curious if anyone else has a similar workflow, the only real problem I'm having is spotting/marking the holes so enough copper gets etched away so my hand drilling is a bit more accurate (yes I could completely use a drill press but I don't have one image )

 

MAybe a modified method that results in bigger holes being marked?

 

 

 

thanks for reading!

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to dougw +1
    Well I haven't really messed with trace thickness since throughout my PCB making I've purposely made the traces as long as I could because I was using the toner transfer method... But here's some pictures…
  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to dragonstyne +1
    Steve if you are interested we can do something with my spare one so that you can get the electronics then the mechanics sounded out with out too many dependencies !
  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to dragonstyne +1
    Most of the parts are available from EBAY. If you feel confident of making an X-Y mechanism with a head on it then you are a winner for the rest. Even the Laser part aint too bad as long as you don't stick…
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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago

    You said here you are using the Toner transfer method I assume you haven't tried the laser yet then . If that is the Laser then I'm pretty impressed. I would also say stay with vector formats and avoid raster like the plague as although you have enough accuracy you do cannot switch off the beam fast enough for a clean edge as it takes several ms to stop lasing and just messes up the etch resist.

     

    Most of the laser software don't take GCode at least the Chinese variety if you can create a DXF then you can import that into almost all the Software. BTW eagle provided a load of tools to do this but I've not tried as it was windows only..

     

    Good luck ....Do you have a link to the pcb-gcode thing BTW?????

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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Previously I was using toner transfers to do PCBs. The images posted here are from my first attempt at lasered PCB's (which still need to be etched afterwards anyway image )

     

    The original place for the pcb-gcode plugin is pcbgcode.org, which is meant for milling the board using a mechanical cutter.

     

     

    My modified version can be found https://www.dropbox.com/s/jsx7z02rd623boq/pcb-gcode3.6.2.4-laser.zip  and should have a bunch of warnings attached to it but doesn't image

    (My cutter is setup to where that spindle on/off turns the laser on/off; the modified code turns the laser on when the Z is negative and off when the Z is positive)

    I would dry run any output from this first...

     

    Here's a board from the newer code, its not perfect but my hand drilled holes are a little better since I had better markers...

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    Perhaps later I can try putting the board back after etching and have the laser cut the holes since theres no copper protecting them now image

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    That's a good result then. I'm sure you can remove the resist at least as accurately as any hope process can remove the underlying copper so you are good there. The laser hole thing may well be a pain as you will need some lugs or some such on the bed to align the board again to get the correct registration. Another issue I find is that the FR4 has a tendency to char, maybe that wont be such an issue for just the holes and after all you will be soldering over them any way image

     

    Thanks for the links BTW!

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    How did you give yourself a "helpful answer" on your reply .... you could make a ton of points by answering your own question ....BUG TIMe ..LOL image

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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Well at least for now it does what I want and now I can move on to more interesting things like building a new controller board for this cutter image

    It was a cheap 500USD one that came with a crummy proprietary driver board and software, so we've had this scabbed together breakout board to get it to a parallel port to make it usable...

     

     

    The original idea for using a laser cutter and paint was from these two instructables links, the first one has you cut a temp jig out of acrylic so you can put the board in and the other uses some kind of snap jig. But they are both useless if you happen to turn off your machine lol

    Nothing Labs (Rich Olson): 2-Layer Circuit Boards Using Laser Cutter / Chemical Etching

    Double-sided PCBs with a laser cutter

     

    But at least this is a getting stuff done season for me and not procrastinating

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Are you aware you can get those generic laser cutter controller boards off EBAY that normally already supported in a given set of software... I nearly bought one to repair one of mine!

    Then again it's only a spare of a spare so I'm still intending to do something similar to your self ..good luck

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    O BTW I was watching Ian from Dangerous Prototypes and he did a laser PCB but his was rather chared around the edge and where the holes are so it's obviously possible...Just needs a bit of finessing image

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    0 dragonstyne over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    John, you can answer your own questions you just don't receive the points.

     

    Good luck truehbridx,  a laser cutter is one of projects I plan attacking later.

    By the way, nice Sinistar icon. I haven't seen that in a while.

     

    -Steve

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to dragonstyne

    Steve if you are interested we can do something with my spare one so that you can get the electronics then the mechanics sounded out with out too many dependencies !

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    0 dragonstyne over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Thst sounds interesting.

     

    -Steve

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to dragonstyne

    Most of the parts are available from EBAY. If you feel confident of making an X-Y mechanism with a head on it then you are a winner for the rest.

    Even the Laser part aint too bad as long as you don't stick your tongue on the 20KV line image

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to dragonstyne

    Most of the parts are available from EBAY. If you feel confident of making an X-Y mechanism with a head on it then you are a winner for the rest.

    Even the Laser part aint too bad as long as you don't stick your tongue on the 20KV line image

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    0 dragonstyne over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Sounds fun, I built a helium neon laser early on. It looked sharp when it fired.

    An X Y Drive shouldn't be too difficult.

    And no, I don't think 20KV would taste very good. image

     

    -Steve

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    0 dragonstyne over 11 years ago in reply to dragonstyne

    John, Do you have docs on what you have?

    I don't think we should hijack his blog, so if you could PM me we can go from there.

     

    Thanks John,

     

    -Steve

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to dragonstyne

    Obviously you need good insulation on the 20KV out put but other than that all you need to control it is either the PWM 5V or an analog 0-5 V control that goes on the pin of the PSU ...all very simple stuff!

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