When is Eagle v8 coming   out?

One of the new exciting features:

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

They seem to have forgotten this:

Quote:

Dear Valued EAGLE Customer,

 

With the release of EAGLE v7, CadSoft Computer introduced a new

License Management system for EAGLE in order to better protect

our intellectual property and offer more flexibility and control

to customers with multi-user licenses on a network. During the

two weeks since the launch of EAGLE v7, we have been listening

carefully to your constructive feedback and concerns about the

new License Management technology and have decided to remove the

license management features from EAGLE v7.

 

CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer

needs at the focus of everything we do. We understand that for a

large group of our customers the current License Management is

causing limitations or is simply not usable in your current work

flow. Therefore, we have decided to withdraw the new License

Management system with immediate effect.

http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/49854/c7286ef7ecac30e5ec09e9251159f508/

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On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

One of the new exciting features:

 

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

 

They seem to have forgotten this:

Hi Joop,

It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any change

in this area is going to be met with resistance, this implementation is

probably the least annoying.

So here are the details:

- Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

tied to you Autodesk Account. When EAGLE starts up for the first time

you will have to login to your Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the

Autodesk server to check your entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls

your license).

If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

credentials you supplied previously and just start.

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be working

pretty good for them.

Thought it would be useful to spell it out clearly. Let me know if there

are any questions or if I missed something.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

 

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

 

So, Eagle is going to be rented software.  One of the nice things about

Eagle is that I can use it on a secured system (one that's not connected

to the Internet).  I guess that's out the window with v8.

 

This also means that the sales model is no longer a purchase, but

instead it is now rented.  The customer now must repeatedly ask

permission to use the software at least every 14 days.

Just to clarify, you don't have to login every 14 days. EAGLE needs to

be able to reach the server at least once every 14 days. You are correct

in that EAGLE is now a subscription model. You can pay for it on a

yearly basis or if you only work occasionally on EAGLE you can choose to

pay monthly.

 

Jorge, I'm sure that everyone reading this is aware of the threat of

cyber attacks.  Such attacks are growing both in frequency and

sophistication.  It is only a matter of time before a Denial-Of-Service

(DOS) attack makes most cloud servers in accessible, perhaps as

collateral damage from an attack on a different target.  The best way to

counter such attacks is to use distributed resources.  And the best

distributed resource model is one that the client doesn't need to get on

the Internet at all, which has been Cadsoft's model.

 

It's been asked in this thread just how long AutoDesk intends to

authorize any particular license without imposing a renewal fee.

See my answer above.

   Will I

be able to use v8 even when support for it has long vanished?  A poster

on this thread has already mentioned that he does extended work in

locations where the Internet is not accessible.

Fusion updates continously so as long as you pay the subscription fee

you are always using the latest features and moving your files forward.

As it stands now if you are not on subscription you won't be able to use

EAGLE v8 or any other version that may come out in the future. It

behaves like an electric bill, if you don't pay it the power gets shut off.

 

I'd like to know if AD has any solution for off-network machines.

At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

improvements can be made.

Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

there's not much that can be done about it.

I'm truly sorry guys.

Jorge Garcia

Thats already a showstopper for me. I do field campaigns in very remote

areas of the planet and they are longer then 2 weeks. Is EAGLE going to

work at least as a viewer without a license after the 2 weeks?

 

Markus

 

Hi Markus,

For now it won't, but I've brought to the attention of management. Let's

see what they say.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

As it stands now if you are not on subscription you won't be able to use

EAGLE v8 or any other version that may come out in the future. It

behaves like an electric bill, if you don't pay it the power gets shut off.

This excludes the freeware, because the freeware is free. All you need

to use it is an Autodesk account. My comment above only concerns paid

licenses. I read it again and wanted to make sure that it's clear, we

still have a freeware and it's still free.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Hi Jorge,

What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say) 100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say) 200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks really good.

Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in

read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an

Autodesk

account at all).

 

As of right now it becomes unusable. I was not aware of that, I will

bring it to the attention of management immediately to see if this can

 

be changed. Having it as a reader shouldn't conflict with Autodesk

policies.

 

You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware. They

are

easy to obtain from accounts.autodesk.com

Hi Jorge,

Thanks for explaining, and bringing up this issue with management.

I see it as a serious problem if it is not possible, after installing

Eagle, to even inspect designs without an internet connection and working

license situation.

No license enforcement software is perfect. As well as issues with

connectivity, I have had problems in the past where a system update since a

piece of software was last used has broken the license checking mechanism,

requiring an update from the software provider.

As it stands you are telling us that under any of the following conditions

we would no longer be able to use Eagle at all:

1) You are currently without a working internet connection and you are not

signed in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

2) The Autodesk license server is temporarily down and you are not signed

in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

3) An operating system update has broken the license enforcement mechanism

and a fix has not yet been released

It is of course potentially very problematic that Eagle should lose any

functionality in such conditions, but it sounds like Autodesk won't budge

on it.

Therefore I think it is very important that in ALL of these situations,

Eagle at the very least falls back to being a fully functional reader.

Imagine being at a factory in China and being unable to properly check an

urgent design query because you don't have an internet connection? Or you

do have a connection, but there is some kind of software issue caused by

your OS? You must at least be able to inspect the designs, even if you

can't modify them.

This is absolutely critical stuff.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

Yes, we will continue to be XML.

Better news thanks!

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On 01/18/2017 01:14 PM, shabaz wrote:

Hi Jorge,

 

What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say)

100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say)

200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks

really good.

 

Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

 

But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

 

Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I

truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a

personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

 

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Hi Shabaz,

Pricing structure will be officially announced soon enough, there will

be pricing options that are really close to your request.  EAGLE will be

tied to your Autodesk Account, so no matter what happens as long as you

have online access you should be able to activate EAGLE.  As stated

earlier, the free version will remain available.

Your participation and comments on the Forum are greatly appreciated.

Ed

On 18/01/17 17:53, Jorge Garcia wrote:

You are correct in that EAGLE is now a subscription model.

That's a complete show-stopper for me.

On 18/01/17 17:53, Jorge Garcia wrote:

You are correct in that EAGLE is now a subscription model.

That's a complete show-stopper for me.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 17:53

 

<snip>

 

At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

 

do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

 

will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

improvements can be made.

 

Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

 

there's not much that can be done about it.

 

I'm truly sorry guys.

Jorge Garcia

There's no need to be sorry Jorge. Either EAGLE customers will accept this

change or they won't.  I hope Autodesk did a lot of research into the mess

that Farnell made with v7.0 licensing and have thought through how people

use EAGLE.

I have a question about the subscription model.  Say I subscribe at v8.0

and continue subscription until v8.2 comes out.  Then I stop subscribing.

Can I continue to use v8.2 indefinitely?

One other question:  The website says the "Standard" license is 2-signal

layers and "Premium" is 16 layers.   Is the 2-signal layers a typo?  What

happened to the 6-layer level in between (formerly called Standard before

Autodesk changed the names)?

Finally, consider businesses (like mine, Stratford Digital) who stake their

reputation on EAGLE.  If I can't work because of something out of my

control (autodesk's server is down, internet between here and there is not

working, ...) then I may not be able to deliver and that looks bad on me.

As a professional, I can't just blame the tools.  That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

Cheers,

James.

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On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

 

Cheers,

 

James.

 

Fully ACK.

On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

 

Cheers,

 

James.

 

Fully ACK.

Am 19.01.2017 um 10:29 schrieb Markus Rudolf:

On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please

the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

 

Cheers,

 

James.

 

 

Fully ACK.

INDEED

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