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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago

    On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:26:46 GMT, Matt Berggren

    <noreply-480270@element14.com> wrote:

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

     

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago

    On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:26:46 GMT, Matt Berggren

    <noreply-480270@element14.com> wrote:

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

     

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

    Hi Jussi,

     

    I find it interesting the mention of KiCAD and business critical in the

    same post.

     

    With an open source tool like KiCAD you are accepting the software as

    is, there is no promise of prompt support or any professional assistance

    should you run into problems. You also have no expectation of feature

    implementations or a constant development cycle. I'm not knocking it's

    capabilities, simply the fact that using it entails risk just like any

    other program.

     

    If I had a business, I don't think I would be comfortable with that. I

    would want to know that if I have a question or problem there is someone

    I can reach out to and get a quick response.

     

    I would encourage everyone who sees subscription and says "I'm out" to

    give it a try and then form an opinion, right now most of these posts

    just seem to be reactionary.

     

    Hope this helps,

    Jorge Garcia

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 19.01.2017 18:06, Jorge Garcia wrote:

     

    I find it interesting the mention of KiCAD and business critical in the

    same post.

     

    If CERN uses it, i'd tend to say it's most likely good enough.

     

     

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Jorge

     

    I would agree with you that for business use, there is value in having a professional support team who continue to update the software and provide technical support.   This is why I paid the fee to upgrade my Eagle license to a full, commercial license less than a month ago.

     

    I would be willing to pay a fee for support, and I am happy to pay for upgrades,  but not for use of the software, this is why I paid to purchase the full commercial license for Eagle last month. 

     

    When you tie the use of my designs to paying a fee to access them, you raise a barrier that I am not willing to cross.   I will be looking at continuing to use Eagle version 7, until I am forced to move to another CAD environment in which I will have perpetual, free access to my designs.

     

    Mark

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  • e14candies
    e14candies over 8 years ago in reply to sauerwald

     

    old scenario:

    a) Invest $1500 (or thereabout) full version, no license expiration

    b) minor upgrade available with a few few features you don't care

    about...pay $500 upgrade, or stay put..you decide..maybe wait a year or

    two

    c)major update avail, you want it. If didn't do b, now pay more to upgrade,

    maybe $750....if you don't want...stick with "a" as long as you are happy.

     

     

    new scenario:

    a)purchase yearly subscription 3 years @ $500/year, same as "a" above, ok

    b)during 3 years some small & some big improvements made...you

    automatically get them,  good investment

    c)or during 3 years not too much improvement...still "ok" investment

    During 3 years subscription price certainly goes up and up and up

    d)3 years later your subscription expired, now $1200/year....decide too

    expensive and don't want.  But wait, now your Eagle version is completely

    unusable, locked out forever ....no more projects for you!

     

     

    In 6 months, went from "no maintenence fee" to now $500/year..to what in 3

    years from now?

     

     

     

    You also have no expectation of feature

    implementations or a constant development cycle. I'm not knocking it's

    capabilities, simply the fact that using it entails risk just like any

    other program.

     

    If I had a business, I don't think I would be comfortable with that. I

    would want to know that if I have a question or problem there is someone

    I can reach out to and get a quick response.

     

    constant development cycle...that is somewhat laughable...feature and

    improvements were requested for years then more years, with little or no

    action taken on many of them. Perhaps this is now changed.  Is there an

    actual complete list of what has been implemented?  Is there a roadmap? 

    --

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: The original and best browser access to CadSoft EAGLE support forums.  Supported by EAGLE licenses purchased through us :: http://www.eaglelicenses.com

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Am 19.01.2017 um 18:06 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

    With an open source tool like KiCAD you are accepting the software as

    is, there is no promise of prompt support or any professional assistance

    should you run into problems. You also have no expectation of feature

    implementations or a constant development cycle. I'm not knocking it's

    capabilities, simply the fact that using it entails risk just like any

    other program.

     

    If I had a business, I don't think I would be comfortable with that. I

     

    What software serves autodesk.com? Isn't that open source software a bit

    risky? If I had a business, I don't think I would be comfortable with that.

     

     

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  • s.j.dickinson
    s.j.dickinson over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I totally agree.

     

    I have previously come seriously unstuck over software with complicated

    licensing arrangements. I ended up unable to read or edit my own data so

    I have learned my lesson.

     

    I have used Eagle for many years and liked it a lot.  I have invested

    many hours implementing component libs, UserLanguagePrograms and scripts

    and also separate application programs to handle BOM data, however I

    find the imposed new licensing arrangements unacceptable.  As Jussi has

    pointed out KiCad now appears to have reached the point where it is a

    viable alternative - so with the knowledge that I will be loosing my

    invested time, I think the time has now come to move on from Eagle.

     

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    On 19/01/2017 16:24, Jussi Ilvonen wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:26:46 GMT, Matt Berggren

    <noreply-480270@element14.com> wrote:

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    So you dislike open source like Qt5 which is the frameworks upon which Eagle is built? Qt commercial gets you support

    and the license to develop closed source applications, but Qt5 is still open source. There a many open source

    applications that provide support.

     

    Eric

     

     

    On 01/19/2017 12:06 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote:

     

    With an open source tool like KiCAD you are accepting the software as is, there is no promise of prompt support or any

    professional assistance should you run into problems.

     

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  • Justynb
    Justynb over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Jorge Garcia wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 12:06

    With an open source tool like KiCAD you are accepting the software as

    is, there is no promise of prompt support or any professional

    assistance

    should you run intoproblems. You also have no expectation of feature

    implementations or a constant development cycle. I'm not knocking it's

     

    capabilities, simply the fact that using it entails risk just like any

     

    other program.

     

    If I had a business, I don't think I would be comfortable with that. I

     

    would want to know that if I have a question or problem there is

    someone

    I can reach out to and get a quick response.

     

     

    Like many others I use plenty of open source software in business-critical

    situations and I find it very reliable. Sometimes communities can respond

    just as quickly as company support. But as you say, there are often

    tradeoffs.

     

    If people want an absolute guarantee that a company will not take a product

    in a direction they don't like, open source is the only option. But they

    may have to fund development of features or fixes themselves. KiCad (and

    gEDA) will be a good fit for many people.

     

    Anyway, this really feels like it is getting off topic.

     

    Jorge Garcia wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 12:06

    I would encourage everyone who sees subscription and says "I'm out" to

     

    give it a try and then form an opinion, right now most of these posts

    just seem to be reactionary.

     

     

    I'd like to be quite clear here that I personally don't have a problem with

    the subscription model itself. I'm happy to pay monthly, or a lump sum, or

    whatever. I don't care, this is critical software for my business.

     

    I understand that others disagree.

     

    My main concern (and I'm sure I'm not alone) is of not being able to use

    the software in the event of lack of connection to the license servers if I

    am not successfully signed in.

     

    This does include in the long term (you don't know the license servers will

    still be running in 15 years).

     

    But more obviously it also includes the short term:

     

    • The servers might go down, there might be a big DDoS attach, whatever

    • I might not have access to the internet, might be at a factory, on a

    glacier, my ISP might be suffering an outage

     

    "Wait!" you say, "Just make sure you've used Eagle online beforehand, and

    everything is fine!"

     

    But that is not always the way things work. It might be unplanned. A system

    update on your computer might cause the license check to crap out, or you

    might have to reinstall Eagle, whatever. And of course this doesn't cover

    the problem of using the file in the future when Autodesk isn't running the

    servers (or not supporting them for your platform).

     

    It could be very serious not to be able to use Eagle properly in these

    situations. But there we go, perhaps we have to accept it. I'm genuinely

    trying to find middle ground here. I would at least like to know that I

    will be able to open the files, inspect, create manufacturing data etc.

     

    So to Matt and Jorge, please could you tell me that an Eagle fallback mode

    will allow limited functionality (ie read-only) even if it has never

    registered with an Autodesk server. Eagle has always been able to open all

    compatible files in read-only mode without any license file at all.

     

    If you would please just preserve this true offline fallback to read-only,

    I will reluctantly stomach the rest of it and subscribe to Premium right

    away.

     

    Please consider this.

     

    Thanks.

     

    ps sorry for all the bold. And sorry to the many others for whom even this

    compromise would be unacceptable.

    --

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: The original and best browser access to CadSoft EAGLE support forums.  Supported by EAGLE licenses purchased through us :: http://www.eaglelicenses.com

     

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 8 years ago in reply to s.j.dickinson

    Designing a product with rented software is like building a house on leased land.

     

    There are plenty of people who do it, but I'm not one of them.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:06:25 -0500, Jorge Garcia

    <jorge@cadsoftusa.com> wrote:

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

    Hi Jussi,

     

    I find it interesting the mention of KiCAD and business critical in the

    same post.

     

     

    Well, electronics CAD is pretty business critical for me and my

    company and as far as I know only options with Linux and preferably

    Windows support are Eagle and KiCad.

     

    With an open source tool like KiCAD you are accepting the software as

    is, there is no promise of prompt support or any professional assistance

    should you run into problems. You also have no expectation of feature

     

    This is certainly true. As I see it this does not really differ from

    what the Eagle offers: there is no guarantee that the prompt support

    or professional assistance actually helps...

     

    implementations or a constant development cycle. I'm not knocking it's

    capabilities, simply the fact that using it entails risk just like any

    other program.

     

     

    Open Source development is usually considerable more transparent than

    that of proprietary software.

     

    If there is a feature missing in an open source software I can always

    implement such features myself or pay someone to do the work in my

    behalf. I have no such recourse with proprietary software.

     

    If I had a business, I don't think I would be comfortable with that. I

    would want to know that if I have a question or problem there is someone

    I can reach out to and get a quick response.

     

    What little contact I have had with Cadsoft support I can say that the

    email support has not that useful. So I don't think I am any worse off

    with having to relay on community support.

     

     

    I would encourage everyone who sees subscription and says "I'm out" to

    give it a try and then form an opinion, right now most of these posts

    just seem to be reactionary.

     

    I fully admit that I have an extreme visceral reaction to rented

    software, and I don't think that any arguments to the contrary

    (rational or not) are going to change that ;(

     

     

    Best Regards

    Jussi

     

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