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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
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    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago

    On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:26:46 GMT, Matt Berggren

    <noreply-480270@element14.com> wrote:

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

     

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

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  • s.j.dickinson
    s.j.dickinson over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I totally agree.

     

    I have previously come seriously unstuck over software with complicated

    licensing arrangements. I ended up unable to read or edit my own data so

    I have learned my lesson.

     

    I have used Eagle for many years and liked it a lot.  I have invested

    many hours implementing component libs, UserLanguagePrograms and scripts

    and also separate application programs to handle BOM data, however I

    find the imposed new licensing arrangements unacceptable.  As Jussi has

    pointed out KiCad now appears to have reached the point where it is a

    viable alternative - so with the knowledge that I will be loosing my

    invested time, I think the time has now come to move on from Eagle.

     

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    On 19/01/2017 16:24, Jussi Ilvonen wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:26:46 GMT, Matt Berggren

    <noreply-480270@element14.com> wrote:

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

     

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  • s.j.dickinson
    s.j.dickinson over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I totally agree.

     

    I have previously come seriously unstuck over software with complicated

    licensing arrangements. I ended up unable to read or edit my own data so

    I have learned my lesson.

     

    I have used Eagle for many years and liked it a lot.  I have invested

    many hours implementing component libs, UserLanguagePrograms and scripts

    and also separate application programs to handle BOM data, however I

    find the imposed new licensing arrangements unacceptable.  As Jussi has

    pointed out KiCad now appears to have reached the point where it is a

    viable alternative - so with the knowledge that I will be loosing my

    invested time, I think the time has now come to move on from Eagle.

     

    -


    Stephen Dickinson

    Organised Technology Ltd

    7-4-6 Cameron House

    White Cross Industrial Estate

    Lancaster

    Lancashire

    LA1 4XF

    Phone +44 (0)1524 849933

    WEB: www.orgtec.co.uk

     

    Information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential

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    intended recipient please notify the sender immediately by returning

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    On 19/01/2017 16:24, Jussi Ilvonen wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:26:46 GMT, Matt Berggren

    <noreply-480270@element14.com> wrote:

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

     

    So Eagle is going to the subscription model. Didn't you learn anything

    from the previous licensing fiasco?

     

    You can count me and my company out. I will not rent any software,

    especially not business critical software like this.

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

     

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 8 years ago in reply to s.j.dickinson

    Designing a product with rented software is like building a house on leased land.

     

    There are plenty of people who do it, but I'm not one of them.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to sauerwald

    On 1/19/2017 12:50 PM, Mark Sauerwald wrote:

    Designing a product with rented software is like building a house on leased land.

     

    There are plenty of people who do it, but I'm not one of them.

     

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    To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

    https://www.element14.com/community/message/213475

     

     

    Hi Mark,

     

    If you think about it, everyone builds houses on leased land. You may

    purchase a property and build on it, but what happens if you don't pay

    your property taxes? The government can still take your home and your

    land, so do you really own it?

     

    I think there are many situations where the concept of ownership is

    illusory.

     

    In the grand scheme of things, how much do we really own?

     

    Something to think about, I guess.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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