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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
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    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago

    Hi Matt, so to be clear with V8 we are obtaining a new copy of the

    software based on subscription that has nothing to do with the previous

    versions we paid for or where those were installed and used as I don't

    see the words upgrade used anywhere.

     

    I am a licensee of Unity3D. They too have gone the subscription route.

    They offered existing PRO customers a 50% reduction in their yearly

    subscription cost with an option to renew at that same price for a

    second year.

     

    Will Autodesk be offering any incentives to keep their existing customers?

     

    Glenn

     

     

    On 1/18/2017 2:26 PM, Matt Berggren wrote:

    Hi All --

     

    Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

     

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

    WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

     

    Point it, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us at all to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

     

    Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

     

    "So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a paid version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

     

    So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection except when you first install it (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  *in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req. * So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

     

    Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

     

    Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

     

    Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

     

    Best regards,

     

    Matt Berggren

    Director - Autodesk

    @technolomaniac

    hackaday.io/matt

     

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  • techsupport
    techsupport over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Glen,

    At this time the Sales team is offering an aggressive incentive for

    existing users.   Please contact lourdes.vasquez@autodesk.com, she will

    be able to inform you of the incentive program being made available.

    Best Regards,

    Ed

    edwin.robledo@autodesk.com

    Support

     

     

     

    On 01/19/2017 02:08 AM, Glenn Jones wrote:

    Hi Matt, so to be clear with V8 we are obtaining a new copy of the

    software based on subscription that has nothing to do with the previous

    versions we paid for or where those were installed and used as I don't

    see the words upgrade used anywhere.

     

    I am a licensee of Unity3D. They too have gone the subscription route.

    They offered existing PRO customers a 50% reduction in their yearly

    subscription cost with an option to renew at that same price for a

    second year.

     

    Will Autodesk be offering any incentives to keep their existing customers?

     

    Glenn

     

     

    On 1/18/2017 2:26 PM, Matt Berggren wrote:

    Hi All --

     

    Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.

    Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

     

    Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE

    paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an

    account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you

    are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your

    network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you

    to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to

    never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly

    subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when

    you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of

    ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will

    thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full

    software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

     

    WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the

    license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV

    star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

     

    Point it, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and

    alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us at all to upset the

    users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn

    their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the

    product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't

    benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments,

    movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc.

    and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our

    benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in

    one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question

    ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

     

    Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription

    and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your

    machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of

    these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails

    with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again,

    not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

     

    +"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the

    data I created in another version (a paid version) and reading it?

    What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"+

     

    So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  +Here's my

    commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have

    a license that you can fall back on+ *without need of internet

    connection* except when you first install it (which after all, you

    would have had to get it in the first place):  *in version 8.1 or

    8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you

    install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req. * So

    what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login

    the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that,

    you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely

    without connection.

     

    Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update

    server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1,

    etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that,

    logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin

    somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they

    have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you)

    then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched

    peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local

    yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login,

    get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte

    macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

     

    Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

     

    Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

     

    Best regards,

     

    Matt Berggren

    Director - Autodesk

    @technolomaniac

    hackaday.io/matt

     

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport

    Hello Ed,

     

    1) who is Matt Berggren? Where he is working, employed in AutoDesk?

     

    2) I wrote an answer to Matt here in this thread "EAGLE License Recommendation".

    https://www.element14.com/community/update-advanced-comment.jspa?id=214891

     

    What is now true?

     

    Thank you very much

    Best Regards

    Gerald

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    On 2/1/2017 2:09 AM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:

    Hello Ed,

     

    1) who is Matt Berggren? Where he is working, employed in AutoDesk?

     

    He is the director of EAGLE and a few other products here at Autodesk.

    He is the man at the helm of EAGLE and any decisions related to EAGLE

    now go through him. He's also a part of the community as an engineer and

    designer.

     

    You can find out more about him here:

    http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/3659220

     

    For his projects check out technolomaniac on hackaday.io

    https://hackaday.io/matt

     

    2) I wrote an answer to Matt here in this thread "EAGLE License Recommendation (/message/213959/l/eagle-license-recommendat-ion#213959)".

    https://www.element14.com/community/update-advanced-comment.jspa?id=214891

     

    What is now true?

     

    This is where we stand now. EAGLE is going full subscription, we have as

    of right now free, standard and premium tiers.

     

    Here are what each offers (I'm excluding free because you made clear in

    the other post that you didn't care about free).

     

    Standard

    160cm^2 area(no longer fixed), 4 Layers(page will be corrected to

    reflect this it currently says 2 layers), 99 sheets.

    For $100/year or $15/month.

     

    Premium

    Unlimited area(EAGLE technically can't do more that 4m x 4m because of

    how it represents points in space. No one makes a single board that

    big), 16 layers, 999 sheets.

    For $500/year or $65/month.

     

    EAGLE will be releasing updates far more frequently. We are looking at

    somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-9 updates per year. Just in January

    we are looking at 2 releases.

     

    We will no longer be waiting for major releases to release new features.

    New features will be released throughout the year.

     

    If the subscription expires, EAGLE will fall back to free mode. You can

    still review your designs and generate manufacturing data. You just

    won't be able to modify it outside the limits of the free version.

     

    The group command is by default active and setup to behave in a more

    familiar way compared to how other tools use their selection functions.

    If you want the old behavior back you can click Options > Set > Misc

    uncheck the Group default on option. This will make group behave just

    like you are used to.

     

    I think that covers everything you asked in the other post but let me

    know if that is not the case.

     

     

    Thank you very much

    Best Regards

    Gerald

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    Hi Gerald,

     

    See my comments inline above. Let me know if there's anything else I can

    do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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  • Justynb
    Justynb over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Jorge,

     

    Could you please confirm one way or the other whether it will be made

    possible to install Eagle in free mode without an internet connection?

     

    This is important for long term contingency planning.

     

    Thanks.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to Justynb

    On 2/1/2017 5:35 PM, Justyn wrote:

    Hi Jorge,

     

    Could you please confirm one way or the other whether it will be made

    possible to install Eagle in free mode without an internet connection?

     

    This is important for long term contingency planning.

     

    Thanks.

     

    Hi Justyn,

     

    I hope you're doing well. You can see point number 1 on Matt's response

    to the EAGLE license recommendation thread. I've copied it below for

    your convenience:

     

    "

    1) The free version shouldn't expire and will only require a connection

    the first time you open it.

    "

     

    This is the latest information I have on the subject.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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  • slowgoing
    slowgoing over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Well, that pretty much make Eagle a no go now.

    Just as well that I have a bunch of the older versions around.

     

    Now there much be some open source PCB programs thats worth supporting

     

    K

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 01 February 2017 21:27

    On 2/1/2017 2:09 AM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:

    Hello Ed,

     

    1) who is Matt Berggren? Where he is working, employed in

    AutoDesk?

     

    He is the director of EAGLE and a few other products here at Autodesk.

     

    He is the man at the helm of EAGLE and any decisions related to EAGLE

    now go through him. He's also a part of the community as an engineer

    and

    designer.

     

    You can find out more about him here:

    http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/3659220

     

    For his projects check out technolomaniac on hackaday.io

    https://hackaday.io/matt

     

    2) I wrote an answer to Matt here in this thread "EAGLE License

    Recommendation

    (/message/213959/l/eagle-license-recommendat-ion#213959)".

     

    https://www.element14.com/community/update-advanced-comment.jspa?id=214891

     

    What is now true?

     

    This is where we stand now. EAGLE is going full subscription, we have

    as

    of right now free, standard and premium tiers.

     

     

    Five months ago Matt Berggren wrote:

     

    Quote:

    @Dave, it's not going subscription. So there. image At this stage, that

    isn't anywhere on my roadmap.

    Thought about it.  Decided against it.  Can I say that we will never in

    the life of any product

    do that?  No, of course not.

     

     

    http://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/msg977529/#msg977529

     

     

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 01 February 2017 21:27

    On 2/1/2017 2:09 AM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:

    Hello Ed,

     

    1) who is Matt Berggren? Where he is working, employed in

    AutoDesk?

     

    He is the director of EAGLE and a few other products here at Autodesk.

     

    He is the man at the helm of EAGLE and any decisions related to EAGLE

    now go through him. He's also a part of the community as an engineer

    and

    designer.

     

    You can find out more about him here:

    http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/3659220

     

    For his projects check out technolomaniac on hackaday.io

    https://hackaday.io/matt

     

    2) I wrote an answer to Matt here in this thread "EAGLE License

    Recommendation

    (/message/213959/l/eagle-license-recommendat-ion#213959)".

     

    https://www.element14.com/community/update-advanced-comment.jspa?id=214891

     

    What is now true?

     

    This is where we stand now. EAGLE is going full subscription, we have

    as

    of right now free, standard and premium tiers.

     

     

    Five months ago Matt Berggren wrote:

     

    Quote:

    @Dave, it's not going subscription. So there. image At this stage, that

    isn't anywhere on my roadmap.

    Thought about it.  Decided against it.  Can I say that we will never in

    the life of any product

    do that?  No, of course not.

     

     

    http://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/msg977529/#msg977529

     

     

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