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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Matt,

     

    You have been proved untrustworthy.

    Why should we trust you now??

     

    Quote:

    @Dave, it's not going subscription.  So there.  image  At this stage, that

    isn't anywhere on my roadmap.  Thought about it.  Decided against it.

    Can I say that we will never in the life of any product do that?  No, of

    course not.

     

     

    http://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/msg977529/#msg977529

     

    So, everything you say now will be worthless within six months!

     

    And you want me to trust our business to you?

     

     

     

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    Quote:

    2.1.3 Territory. Except as otherwise authorized in writing by Autodesk,

    the licenses granted in this Agreement are granted only for the

    Territory. Nothing in this Agreement permits Licensee (including, without

    limitation, Licensee's Personnel, if any) to Install or Access the

    Licensed Materials outside of the Territory.

     

     

    Territory? So I can't use Eagle when I travel outside of the states without

    buying a new license for that territory?

     

    http://download.autodesk.com/us/FY17/Suites/LSA/en-US/lsa.html

     

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago

    As it stands with the current EAGLE subscription prices... OrCAD standard price = 3 years of EAGLE subscription, OrCAD Pro pice = 5 years subscription. I am still evaluating KiCad but I am now also considering the possibility of getting OrCAD standard. Comparison Page - OrCAD PCB Designer | OrCAD

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    rbtx99 wrote:

     

    As it stands with the current EAGLE subscription prices... OrCAD standard price = 3 years of EAGLE subscription, OrCAD Pro pice = 5 years subscription. I am still evaluating KiCad but I am now also considering the possibility of getting OrCAD standard. Comparison Page - OrCAD PCB Designer | OrCAD

    I think what you are looking at there is just the PCB editor. You'd also need OrCAD Capture too for schematic entry in oder to have a complete suite to replace EAGLE so price wise it may not as favourable against EAGLE as you think.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:24:28 +0100, Joop <teuniz@gmail.com> wrote:

     

    I believe Autodesk will not pump money into Cadsoft for one or two years

    without getting enough

    revenue. They will either change back to the old license management system

    or they will sell

    Cadsoft (which opens the opportunity for the new owner to change the

    licensing system as well).

     

    Or most likely, Autodesk will fail to make their projections with

    Eagle and just pull the plug, killing the product outright.

     

    I've just had a similar thing happen on the hardware side.  I use

    (used) an Atmel processor in our main product.  Before I made the

    selection. my factory rep assured me of at least a 10 year life.  That

    was 2011.

     

    Fast forward to a couple months ago.  MicroChip, Atmel's competitor,

    bought out Atmel.  About 2 weeks later I got an official end-of-life

    notice on my processor.  And they raised the price of the existing

    stock from less than $4 to $14.

     

    I chose a TI replacement processor, based mainly on their excellent

    support and price/performance ratio.  And to add icing to the cake,

    yesterday TI announced that they were freewaring all their development

    tools.

     

    Fortunately I have enough stock of Atmel processors to allow me to

    design a new board and port the software over.  The new board is being

    done in KiCAD.

     

    John

     

    John DeArmond

    http://www.neon-john.com

    http://www.tnduction.com

    Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

    See website for email address

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 18:24:06 +0200, Jussi Ilvonen <jilvonen@gmail.com>

    wrote:

     

     

    Does anyone happen know a good KiCad tutorial aimed for Eagle users?

     

    The KiCAD manual is good.  What I did was take one of my simpler

    support boards and re-render it in KiCAD.  You'll be right at home in

    the schematic editor.  The layout editor takes a bit more time.

     

    One other thing you might consider is supporting the KiCAD development

    through CERN.  Here is the donation page.

     

    https://giving.web.cern.ch/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=6

     

    Yesterday I kicked in $500.  I expect to do that a couple of times a

    year.

     

    John

    John DeArmond

    http://www.neon-john.com

    http://www.tnduction.com

    Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

    See website for email address

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:06:25 -0500, Jorge Garcia

    <jorge@cadsoftusa.com> wrote:

     

     

    With an open source tool like KiCAD you are accepting the software as

    is, there is no promise of prompt support or any professional assistance

    should you run into problems. You also have no expectation of feature

    implementations or a constant development cycle. I'm not knocking it's

    capabilities, simply the fact that using it entails risk just like any

    other program.

     

    CERN has taken over the development support costs and they now have

    several full time paid programmers.  The best of both worlds - FOSS

    software supported by a commercial entity.

     

     

    If I had a business, I don't think I would be comfortable with that. I

    would want to know that if I have a question or problem there is someone

    I can reach out to and get a quick response.

     

    Subscribe to the KiCAD support list and see.  It's every bit as

    responsive as this group is.  And since KiCAD is open source, if I

    need something fixed right now, either I'll fix it if I have time or

    if I don't, I'll hire a programmer.  Then send the fix back to CERN to

    be incorporated into the main codebase.

     

    This issue isn't about money, it's about control.  I can't speak for

    the others but I must have control over everything in the critical

    path for my projects.  That's why we're a Linux shop.  The only closed

    source software we use is the TI development environment.  And it's

    just a GUI for gcc. 

     

    I would encourage everyone who sees subscription and says "I'm out" to

    give it a try and then form an opinion, right now most of these posts

    just seem to be reactionary.

     

    Not reactionary since we've been through this before.

     

    John

    John DeArmond

    http://www.neon-john.com

    http://www.tnduction.com

    Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

    See website for email address

     

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    I was speaking with someone who purchased it and he told me he paid £1650 for the Standard including some extras that he needed. He designs PCB with it start to end so presumably that includes capture too. Also he mentioned that OrCad includes import function for EAGLE.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to dharris2112

    David Harris wrote:

     

    I found this thread when I went to upgrade my v7.5 license to v7.7 and

    was redirected to the Autodesk site. I had seen the email last year

    about the Autodesk purchase but quite frankly forgot about it.

     

    just get 7.7 from ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/7.7 your 7.5

    licence is applicable for all 7.x

    --

     

    Lorenz

     

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Neon John wrote on Sun, 22 January 2017 20:12

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:24:28 +0100, Joop <teuniz@gmail.com> wrote:

     

    I believe Autodesk will not pump money into Cadsoft for one or two

    years

    without getting enough

    revenue. They will either change back to the old license management

    system

    or they will sell

    Cadsoft (which opens the opportunity for the new owner to change

    the

    licensing system as well).

     

    Or most likely, Autodesk will fail to make their projections with

    Eagle and just pull the plug, killing the product outright.

     

     

    On the contrary, that's very unlikely. If they pull the plug, they will

    sell it for sure.

    If not, all their investments will be lost. When they sell it, they will

    get back

    at least a part of their money.

     

     

     

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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