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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
  • techsupport
    techsupport over 8 years ago in reply to andycrofts

    Andy Crofts wrote:

     

    OK, don't like subscription model, but I can certainly live with it IF:
    I found a lovely chip from TI. 3-channel high-side voltage/current measuring thingy with I2C interface. INA3221. Perfect for (e.g.) solar panel/MPPT design.
    BUT, it's only surface mount. Take me about an hour to put it onto a breadboard PCB, so "Arduino-compatible".
    I'll give the design away under the GPL , but there are folks out there who can't do their own PCB.
    It'd be double-sided.
    Does this new subscription model mean I can make a free prototype, test, then if it's OK, take a months €15 subscription to satisfy the legal bit, make a thousand PCB's (from Seeedstudio, for example that month), sell them and let my subscription lapse?
    Seems cheap to me!
    Or am I missing something?

    Hi Andy,

    According to the scenario you are describing, this is fine, a one month subscription will be fine.

    Best Regards,

    Ed

    Autodesk Support Specialist

    edwin.robledo@autodesk.com

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago

    Tempting $995 for new license. $495 for EAGLE users. Switch from Eagle PCB

     

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/circuitstudio/   Altium CircuitStudio v1.4 Release

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    Why not give PCBWEB a go?

    It's not very fast but it's a freebee and comes with unwanted bugs and all.

     

    With the proper configuration you can go from Schematic Capture to Gerber Files in a jiffy.

    If e14 had their parts database attached it'd be even better!

     

    The schematic and PCB results look really neat.

    http://www.montman.info/alpha-plus-schematics.html

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    As a follow up to my previous post, I have now been trialing Altium CircuitStudio for the last two weeks. There is a learning curve for sure and it drove me mad for the first 1-2 hours but overall the luring curve is not as steep as I thought it would be. I am also impressed with the flexibility and speed in performing some tasks compared to EAGLE. So today decided to buy it using the half price offer for EAGLE users before it is no longer available. The Farnell website shows On Backorder but I purchased it anyway and the license was delivered via email soon after. https://uk.farnell.com/altium/11-100-15-1-p-e/software-pcb-design-professional/dp/2726528?CMP=i-bf9f-00001000


    For small company owners like me, and for those concerned about offline activation like me, here is some info:

     

    1) CircuitStudio normally installs via an online tool. However you can ask the Element 14 staff to for an offline installer. I have received the offline installer and I can confirm it works without internet connection. You can find info about it here in the chat at the bottom of the page: Altium CircuitStudio FAQs

     

    2) The first time you must active your license whist having internet connection. This downloads the license to your computer. Then you can export it as a standalone file and use it on a computer without Internet connection.

     

    3) The license allows for installation on a second computer (at home). Very handy for those of us with small business that have to bring work home sometimes.

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  • eliminster
    eliminster over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    Just happened to me too.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 7 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 1/19/2017 10:09 AM, Tilmann Reh wrote:

    Rachael schrieb:

     

    It's definitely possible, but whether they will entertain having two

    separate licensing systems within the software is another thing entirely.

    It might lead to unforeseen issues.

     

    Not supporting that might also lead to issues - foreseen, however: many

    people won't subscribe and move on to other software.

     

    It doesn't make any sense to try to force users into a subscription

    model if they don't want that. In fact, I would rather switch to a

    completely different CAD than "upgrade" to a subscription license.

     

    It's all that easy: if there are no permanent offline licenses any more,

    many will leave - or simply continue to use their existing licenses.

    It's up to Autodesk to judge if that counts for them (and/or if

    eventually new customers who subscribe are able to compensate for that).

     

    Tilmann

     

     

    Hello Tilmann,

     

    I hope you're doing well. I need you to please send me an e-mail to

    support@cadsoftusa.com at your earliest convenience. There's an

    important matter I need to discuss with you.

     

    Please let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 7 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 1/21/2017 3:01 AM, Joern Paschedag wrote:

    Joern Paschedag

     

    Hello Joern,

     

    I hope you're doing well. When you have a moment please send me an

    e-mail to support@cadsoftusa.com. There something important I need to

    discuss with you.

     

    Thanks in advanced.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here

     

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  • tempelman
    tempelman over 7 years ago

    Just in case Matt or anyone in else Autodesk reading this. We are a small engineering firm, 20 employees.

    We bought AutoCAD 2015 just before the subscription model came in. We're using AutoCAD as long as I can remember (>30 years).

    We also bought Eagle 5.11 standard and later 7.6 standard when it was still CadSoft. Simply love these packages. How I was upset when I heard Autodesk took them over. Autodesk had already given us so much abuse why we didn't want to get AutoCAD subscription and so on and so forth; whining like little children insisting to sell their 'support'. Told them repeatedly that we BUY what we use, whether it is a car, a washing machine, a computer or a piece of software. And all the good reasons for this approach have been extensively addressed in this forum. Typical American approach to lease everything and maximize company profit and then be sooo surprised when it all suddenly collapses in your face; where did we see that before...

     

    Autodesk. The customer is always right. Even if the customer is wrong, he is still right. Got it?

     

    In our case: we are growing our business fast. Instead of buying another AutoCAD (which we normally would have done), we are now using other packages. And will keep using those, because they are fine and come with no hassle.

    And as for Eagle, we'll keep using 7.6. Or buy something else.

    And yes, we are saying good-bye to some other software firms as well for the same reasons, and find there is a world of good alternatives making you wonder why we got with them in the first place.

     

    bye bye Autodesk. Sell your great software to... to no one?

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 7 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 2017-10-17 10:45, Jorge Garcia wrote:

    On 1/19/2017 10:09 AM, Tilmann Reh wrote:

    Rachael schrieb:

     

    It's definitely possible, but whether they will entertain having two

    separate licensing systems within the software is another thing

    entirely.

    It might lead to unforeseen issues.

     

    Not supporting that might also lead to issues - foreseen, however: many

    people won't subscribe and move on to other software.

     

    It doesn't make any sense to try to force users into a subscription

    model if they don't want that. In fact, I would rather switch to a

    completely different CAD than "upgrade" to a subscription license.

     

    It's all that easy: if there are no permanent offline licenses any more,

    many will leave - or simply continue to use their existing licenses.

    It's up to Autodesk to judge if that counts for them (and/or if

    eventually new customers who subscribe are able to compensate for that).

     

    Tilmann

     

     

    Hello Tilmann,

     

    I hope you're doing well. I need you to please send me an e-mail to

    support@cadsoftusa.com at your earliest convenience. There's an

    important matter I need to discuss with you.

     

    Please let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

     

    I think Tilmann made some valid statements. Large companies are often ok

    with subscription licensing. Small companies are usually not yet that's

    where the bulk of real innovation happens. Those are the potential large

    customers of tomorrow.

     

    As a consultant I am often asked "What kind of oscilloscope should we

    buy?" or "What CAD package could you recommend for us?". The answers are

    typically not second-guessed and they buy what was recommended. For CAD

    I used to say "Eagle" because it fit nicely at small companies and even

    mid-sized ones. However, since the dreaded switch to subscriptions I can

    no longer recommend Eagle.

     

    --

    Regards, Joerg

     

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/

     

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    1470aries over 1 year ago
    technolomaniac said:
    Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all
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