Eurocircuits and V6 .brd files

Robert wrote on Thu, 22 December 2011 14:35

Just mailed two designs to Eurocircuits this afternoon made by Eagle

V6.  Received a reject as 'does not look to be a valid .brd file'.  I

wonder if they know about the changes in V6?

Quite likely they haven't upgraded their software to deal with that yet.

However, you shouldn't be sending Eagle BRD files to board houses anyway.

That leaves too many judgement calls for the board house to make.  Create

the gerber files yourself, then the board house knows what to do, and you

can take the files to any other board house too.  Most board houses don't

want Eagle files, or charge extra for doing the conversion to gerbers for

you.

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Robert <robert@nospam.ch> wrote:

Just mailed two designs to Eurocircuits this afternoon made by Eagle V6.

Received a reject as 'does not look to be a valid .brd file'.

I wonder if they know about the changes in V6?

The new version is out only some two weeks. Give them some time. Board review

for eurocircuit is in India to my knowledge, so perhaps even some more time

is needed.

Also think about delivering Gerber RS2xx. That way, data is fixed and not

subject to subtile differences in setup.

Bye

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On 22/12/2011 21:13, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

Robert<robert@nospam.ch>  wrote:

>> Just mailed two designs to Eurocircuits this afternoon made by Eagle V6.

>> Received a reject as 'does not look to be a valid .brd file'.

>> I wonder if they know about the changes in V6?

 

The new version is out only some two weeks. Give them some time. Board review

for eurocircuit is in India to my knowledge, so perhaps even some more time

is needed.

 

Also think about delivering Gerber RS2xx. That way, data is fixed and not

subject to subtile differences in setup.

 

Bye

Hmm, that will likely stop it solid. Altough Eurocircuits did build good

boards based on .brd files for me in the past. Not having generated

Gerber files at all, I will have some reading to do, as we want to build

prototypes for customers in a few weeks. This is the moment where I

regret to have upgraded to V6 early.

In the online help, 'GERBER' does not do much, but I saw a gerber.cam

file. Should the result be a collection of files, like a drill file etc?

Cancelling and trying another board house right now might get me in the

same problem again.

Robert

On 22/12/2011 22:02, Robert wrote:

On 22/12/2011 21:13, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

>> Robert<robert@nospam.ch> wrote:

>>> Just mailed two designs to Eurocircuits this afternoon made by Eagle V6.

>>> Received a reject as 'does not look to be a valid .brd file'.

>>> I wonder if they know about the changes in V6?

>>

>> The new version is out only some two weeks. Give them some time. Board

>> review

>> for eurocircuit is in India to my knowledge, so perhaps even some more

>> time

>> is needed.

>>

>> Also think about delivering Gerber RS2xx. That way, data is fixed and not

>> subject to subtile differences in setup.

>>

>> Bye

 

Hmm, that will likely stop it solid. Altough Eurocircuits did build good

boards based on .brd files for me in the past. Not having generated

Gerber files at all, I will have some reading to do, as we want to build

prototypes for customers in a few weeks. This is the moment where I

regret to have upgraded to V6 early.

 

In the online help, 'GERBER' does not do much, but I saw a gerber.cam

file. Should the result be a collection of files, like a drill file etc?

 

Cancelling and trying another board house right now might get me in the

same problem again.

 

Robert

 

Well, that did not look that hard. Found the instructions, generated

drill file and a 4-layer Gerber, zipped them up and updated my order.

Hopefully that was the right way.

Robert

>>

>> Robert

>>

Well, that did not look that hard. Found the instructions, generated

drill file and a 4-layer Gerber, zipped them up and updated my order.

Hopefully that was the right way.

 

Robert

 

>

It is very important to verify that all the necessary files are there,

contain the correct layers and are not mirrored.

Robert wrote:

On 22/12/2011 21:13, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

>> Robert<robert@nospam.ch>  wrote:

>>> Just mailed two designs to Eurocircuits this afternoon made by

>>> Eagle V6. Received a reject as 'does not look to be a valid .brd

>>> file'.

>>> I wonder if they know about the changes in V6?

>>

>> The new version is out only some two weeks. Give them some time.

>> Board review for eurocircuit is in India to my knowledge, so perhaps

>> even some more time is needed.

>>

>> Also think about delivering Gerber RS2xx. That way, data is fixed

>> and not subject to subtile differences in setup.

>>

>> Bye

 

Hmm, that will likely stop it solid. Altough Eurocircuits did build

good boards based on .brd files for me in the past. Not having

generated Gerber files at all, I will have some reading to do, as we

want to build prototypes for customers in a few weeks. This is the

moment where I regret to have upgraded to V6 early.

 

In the online help, 'GERBER' does not do much, but I saw a gerber.cam

file. Should the result be a collection of files, like a drill file

etc?

 

Cancelling and trying another board house right now might get me in

the same problem again.

 

Robert

Review the tutorial that ships with Eagle, found in the DOCs folder.

Section: Output of drawings and manufacturing data.

Gerber is simple  and nothing to be affraid of. Note a drill file will need

generating as well as the multiple files for the layers considerd Gerber.

Before shipping gerbers, view them yourself. using a viewer. GC-Prevue and

gerbv are a couple to try.

It also helps if you understand the order of the process steps the

manufacturer uses. That way you don't flipout when you view a Gerber copper

layer with no holes depicted.

Eurocircuits have a page

http://www.eurocircuits.com/index.php/technology-guidelines/pcb-layout-data/117-cadsoft-eagle-brd-to-gerber-conversion-guidelines

All the best

Warren

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On 22/12/2011 23:17, Warren Brayshaw wrote:

It also helps if you understand the order of the process steps the

manufacturer uses. That way you don't flipout when you view a Gerber copper

layer with no holes depicted.

Eurocircuits have a page

http://www.eurocircuits.com/index.php/technology-guidelines/pcb-layout-data/117-cadsoft-eagle-brd-to-gerber-conversion-guidelines

 

>

All the best

Warren

 

>

Warren, thank you, that is a page I should have read first. Anyway, I

think I followed the rules and submitted what was needed. The result

will tell.

Best wishes for Chrismas and the new year.

Regards, Robert

Hi Robert,

Have a look here:

http://www.eurocircuits.fr/images/stories/ec09/ec-design-guidelines-englsih-1-2010-v3.pdf

They describe the data formats they accept.

And this one

http://eurocircuits.info/phpBB3/download/EC-Eagle-Guidelines-ENGLISH-1-2010-V1.pdf

on how to create Gerber files using Eagle.

There's no difference between version 5 and 6

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On 22/12/2011 22:02, Robert wrote:

On 22/12/2011 21:13, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

>> Robert<robert@nospam.ch> wrote:

>>> Just mailed two designs to Eurocircuits this afternoon made by Eagle V6.

>>> Received a reject as 'does not look to be a valid .brd file'.

>>> I wonder if they know about the changes in V6?

>>

>> The new version is out only some two weeks. Give them some time. Board

>> review

>> for eurocircuit is in India to my knowledge, so perhaps even some more

>> time

>> is needed.

>>

>> Also think about delivering Gerber RS2xx. That way, data is fixed and not

>> subject to subtile differences in setup.

>>

>> Bye

 

Hmm, that will likely stop it solid. Altough Eurocircuits did build good

boards based on .brd files for me in the past. Not having generated

Gerber files at all, I will have some reading to do, as we want to build

prototypes for customers in a few weeks. This is the moment where I

regret to have upgraded to V6 early.

 

In the online help, 'GERBER' does not do much, but I saw a gerber.cam

file. Should the result be a collection of files, like a drill file etc?

 

Cancelling and trying another board house right now might get me in the

same problem again.

 

Robert

 

Well, that did not look that hard. Found the instructions, generated

drill file and a 4-layer Gerber, zipped them up and updated my order.

Hopefully that was the right way.

Robert

Hello Robert,

We received your order at Eurocircuits.

We would like to draw your attention to the following message on the EAGLE-CADsoft website. It might be related to the problem you experienced.
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WARNING: Most unfortunately, after the whole release process for version 6.0.0 had been finished, it turned out that there is a bug in the polygon handling of the CAM Processor.

If a board contains signal polygons that have their "Orphans" parameter set to "off", and the CAM Processor is used to generate production data with the "pos. Coord" (positive coordinates) option turned on, and if this actually leads to an offset in the CAM data, it can happen that parts of the signal polygons are not drawn, even though they are not orphans, and vice versa.

This may lead to missing electrical connections or copper in places where this is not intended.

As an immediate workaround you can turn the "pos. Coord" option off.

We are working on a solution for this and will release a fixed version as soon as possible.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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It is advisable to check any result before releasing your data.

If Gerbers are generated, these can be checked with an independent freeware Gerber viewer GCPrevue for example (www.graphicode.com).

Regards,

Luc

On 23/12/2011 16:44, luc.smets@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Robert,

 

We received your order at Eurocircuits.

We would like to draw your attention to the following message on the EAGLE-CADsoft website. It might be related to the problem you experienced.

--------------------------------------------------

WARNING: Most unfortunately, after the whole release process for version 6.0.0 had been finished, it turned out that there is a bug in the polygon handling of the CAM Processor.

If a board contains signal polygons that have their "Orphans" parameter set to "off", and the CAM Processor is used to generate production data with the "pos. Coord" (positive coordinates) option turned on, and if this actually leads to an offset in the CAM data, it can happen that parts of the signal polygons are not drawn, even though they are not orphans, and vice versa.

This may lead to missing electrical connections or copper in places where this is not intended.

As an immediate workaround you can turn the "pos. Coord" option off.

We are working on a solution for this and will release a fixed version as soon as possible.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

------------------------------------------

It is advisable to check any result before releasing your data.

If Gerbers are generated, these can be checked with an independent freeware Gerber viewer GCPrevue for example (www.graphicode.com (http://www.graphicode.com)).

Regards,

Luc

 

>

Thanks Luc, will do.

Robert